Tuesday, February 8, 2011

Jesus and Muhammad

"I have read and reread with great interest your Impossible Task thread," wrote a reader recently (that post and the following dozen or so gave reasons I do not think Muhammad was a Prophet from God). It would seem to me plenty of scholars might come up with a similar list about any of the prophets you speak of, including Jesus, that's all."

Actually you don't need to be a scholar to come up with a similar list about Jesus; I could do so in a heartbeat. Here is a baker's dozen, just off the top of my head.

1. Jesus was a narcissist who thought he was God - John 10:30
2. Jesus was suicidal, mesmerized with thoughts of his own death - Matthew 16:21
3. Jesus had dreams of invincibility, convinced he would not remain dead - Mark 8:31
4. Jesus was hallucinatory, imagining armies of angels coming to rescue him - Matthew 26:53
5. Jesus advocated violence, telling his followers to purchase weapons - Luke 22:36 
6. Jesus practiced violence, damaging public property - Matthew 21:12
7. Jesus was racist, calling a Canaanite woman a dog - Matthew 15:22
8. Jesus was misogynistic, calling a Canaanite woman a dog - Matthew 15:26
9. Jesus was gay, with John as his lover - John 21:20
10. Jesus was homophobic, advocating human castration - Matthew 19:12
11. Jesus was sadistic, encouraging his followers to mutilate their own bodies - Matthew 18:8
12. Jesus was sarcastic, describing rabbis of his own faith as vipers - Matthew 12:34
13. Jesus was disrespectful of even his own mother - John 2:4

You can make Jesus into anyone you want him to be, and you can do the same with Muhammad. The question is, where is the truth?

The same reader asked, "Something has been troubling me about your post What I Believe. You wrote that God used Noah in spite of his drunkenness and Lot in spite of his incest. How do you reconcile the fact that God may in fact use people like those, but not Muhammad?"

Another good question that requires a thoughtful response. There are two ways to look at the life of any individual, including Muhammad. One is to choose anecdotes, incidents, quotes, and stories from that individual's life and use them as representative of their entire life. Muslims love to do this with their Prophet. Ask a Muslim about Islam's relationship with the Jews and she will quote a Hadith about Muhammad being nice to a Jewish neighbor who threw trash in his yard. Inquire about Islam and education and listen to a Hadith about seeking knowledge even if you have to go to China. Ask about Islam's relationship to non-Muslims, and hear the Quranic verse "there is no compulsion in religion".

The second and much more important way is to look at the trajectory of the individual's entire life, from birth to death. I believe that Muhammad learned the stories of the Biblical Prophets from his uncle Waraqah bin Naufal, who wanted Muhammad to succeed him as leader of the Ebionite Christian community in Mecca. Muhammad's 25-year marriage to Khadija, a monogamous relationship as far as we know, was performed by Waraqah and was essentially a Christian marriage. Muhammad's call for 13 years in Mecca was not to a new religion, but a return to the monotheistic faith of Abraham, Moses, and David.

Muhammad was ambitious, however, with dreams far greater than leading a flock of poor followers and slaves in Mecca. He began to promise them that if they followed him they would hold the treasures of Caesar and Khosrau, leaders of the Byzantine and Sassanid Empires. He understood that the Biblical heroes he longed to emulate were not only religious leaders, but held political and military power as well. After Khadijah and Waraqa died close to the same time, Muhammad migrated to Medina where he had persuaded members of the Khazraj tribe to accept him as leader. Medina was a Jewish majority city, and Muhammad had the naive idea that its Jewish rabbis would accept him as the Prophet he wanted to be. It was only when they rejected him that he changed the direction of prayer from Jerusalem to Mecca and the day of prayer from Saturday to Friday, laying the basis for a new religion.

The rest of Muhammad's life was an unceasing campaign of battles to extend his new empire. He expelled the Jews from Medina, apart from the 900 men and boys he beheaded and whose heads were thrown in trenches. His final act of conquest was to rape the daughter of one of his Jewish opponents in Khaybar the same day he tortured and beheaded her husband Kinana for refusing reveal the location of the family treasures. At the time Sofiya was 17 and Muhammad was 62.

It is possible, of course, that Muhammad was indeed being used mightily by his God. It's just that that isn't a deity I want anything to do with.


Anonymous said...

Personally, I prefer the dragon-slaying, juvenile delinquent Jesus described in the Infancy Gospel of Thomas. Now that's a Jesus you can make an action movie out of.

Quotable Quotes: said...

Ananymous, I thought I should limit myself to the four canonical Gospels. If I would have included all the apocryphal texts I could have come up with a list that would make Cassanova look like an altar boy.

Abdallah Muslim said...

Dear My friend Quotable,

Do you know what I feel sometimes when I read your posts, correct me please if I am wrong;

I feel that you have a fight in your brain that Muslims and Islam and Muhammad is truly the correct religion from God, but later on whether Satan or one of your devil friends or your brain start whispering in your brain to make a wall between your mind and these idea, a wall of smoke only no more..

Just to make you far away from such idea, you ended your post by your phrase: “It's just that that isn't a deity I want anything to do with.” Which resemble your internal conflict..

But as you are my dearest friend, I would like to blow all this smoke again and hope that you see the truth again, if Allah wills..Amen.

Muhammad didn’t ever study on Waraqa hand’s and maybe never see him before Khadijah took him to see him after he saw the Angel of Gabriel, and what Waraqa told him: that this is the Namous who came to Mosses and you will are the expected Prophet for the world, but what happen later: the revelation stopped for a while and WARAQA died very shortly, just so someone like you come after 1500 years and says Muhammad took from Waraqa any knowledge.

To reply that Quran took from the bible, it’s very easy:

- Majority of Quran verses about events happened within Muslims life, like Hijra to Madina, Bader, Uhud, Khandaq, Entering Makkah, etc.. all are not impossible to be from Bible.

- Majority of Quran verses about Islam Sharia’a law, and don’t tell me that there a single common law between Islam and Christianity or Judaism !!

- Quran is in a very perfect Arabic , that Arabs themselves were impressed about such articulate language, where the first Arabic Bible was 1000 AD, 400 years after prophet death, and it has a very bad Arabic language that if you translate it today using google translator it will be much better than the one who badly translated.

- Believe me when I first read the Bible and the old testament in Arabic I Cried !! Is this what they are fighting for ?? this what they are still following, they left the jewels (Quran) to eat the Sands..

- About the stories of prophets in Quran and Bible that you may say that it’s the only common, I can tell you the names are common but in details NO, and I challenge you in the following:

- Give me the prayer that Mosses said when he was ordered to go to Pharaoh of Egypt?? You’ll never find it in old testament but you can find it in Quran.

- Give me the prayer the Jonas said inside the belly of the whale ?? Bible no, in Quran YES

- Give me the prayer when Jacob lost his son, Give me the prayer that Hana mother of Mary said when she was pregnant of Marry?? Give me the words that Jesus said when the people gathered around his mother when she came carrying him for the first time?? Give me the prayers when Ibrahim left his son and wife and saw them from far alone in a wild desert?? Give me the reply that Joseph said when they wanted to release him from Jail but he refused?? Etc.., etc..

- Believe me, not millions of Waraqa and not all Catholic and Orthodex churches and Vatican can know such words and can’t even invented one, it’s only ALLAH who knows them and he who revealed them to his prophet Muhammad.

- About the marriage of Khadijah, it’s by Allah wisdom that arrange such marriage to have a wise and older woman and not a young one, so it can handle and support his husband in the beginning of the religion and all such pressure.


Abdallah Muslim said...

- And NO, never Prophet Muhammad would change any letter of his message just to please any single Christian or Jew, didn’t you read in Quran what ALLAH said:

This is the Revelation sent down from the Lord of the 'Alamin (mankind, jinn and all that exists). (43) And if he (Muhammad SAW) had forged a false saying concerning Us (Allâh swt), (44)
We surely would have seized him by his right hand (or with power and might), (45)
And then we certainly would have cut off his life artery (Aorta), (46)
And none of you could witheld Us from (punishing) him. (47)
And verily, this (Qur'ân) is a Reminder for the Muttaqûn (pious) (48)
And verily, We know that there are some among you that belie (this Qur'ân) (49)
And indeed it (this Qur'ân) will be an anguish for the disbelievers (on the Day of Resurrection) (50)
And Verily, it (this Qur'ân) is an absolute truth with certainty (51)
So glorify the Name of your Lord, the Most Great. (52)

He’s ALLAH who is saying and it’s written in Quran, who Muslims read it day and night, That if Muhammad say one false word on ALLAH, he would cut his neck !!!

So, you think he will lie for you or for the eyes of Jews !!!

- About Changing the Prayer from Jerusalem to Makkah, it’s by ALLAH wisdom so all knows that Muhammad didn’t create a new religion from his own and he came as a continuous ring in the same chain of prophets before, but he was asking ALLAH to change it to Makkah the house of God built by Ibrahim, and it was received after 14 years, after traveling to Madina, if he has to take such decision he would take it while he was in Makkah to please the people of Makkah to follow him NOT when he reached Madina also to displease the JEWS there, JUST to know it’s not from him that took such decision.

- And, don’t forget that Jesus said that before, but seems you also forget or not reading the Bible very often these days, read and remember:

19 The woman saith unto him, Sir, I perceive that thou art a prophet.
20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. [John 4: 19-21]



It will be in Makkah, which is the center of Earth, and I will show it to you once on google Earth soon..

- Then WHY you don’t ask yourself why Jews came to Madina in the first time??
Because they were expecting a prophet to came from south, but they didn’t thought he will be an Arab, they thought that he will be a Jewish man so they moved there maybe he will come among them, but they were mistaken !!

- About killing one of the 8 tribes that gave hundreds of soldiers to fight Muhammad and surrounding them in a very difficult time, although they have a signed covenant between them, so WHAT do you expect him to do? I will give you an example:

- If a family in TEXAS decided to fight the USA, and invited China and Russia to attack the USA, they give them country secrets where they can enter or attack first, then they gave them supplies on USA territories food and military supplies, not only that: But, when they win and conquer the USA, they give them all American women and girls to the Russian and Chinese soldiers and Not that only, to give them all American land, money, treasures, all to be divided them between the Chinese and Russian soldiers.

- So, what do you expect President Bush or Obama will do for them?? I think he will throw them by atomic bomb immediately, and announce them as traitors.


Abdallah Muslim said...

- Prophet Muhammad was more merciful, when he captured them he asked them what shall I do to you ??

Imagine what they asked for?
They said: DON’T judge us by you Muhammad, let us choose the one who will judge us??

Can you imagine that, he said OK then choose ..

They choose their ally leader from Arabs and he judge them to kill the fighters of them !!

And when a muslim asked to free someone of the Jews, Prophet Muhammad by his incredible mercy accepted that, and returned his land and family, but what the Jews said?

I don’t want your mercy and prefer to be killed !!!

What we can say to them: OK … To Hell !!

And why you are so astonished because of that, read about the fall of Jerusalem by the Romans on Wikipedia, when the Romans entered the city, they found hundreds of soldiers slaughtered by their colleagues so not to be captured by their enemies..

Didn’t you read it in the bible, when Mosses ordered them to kill themselves because they worshiped the golden calf, and they killed 70,000 men !! and you are crying on 200 traitors ..

About Safiya, she was the daughter of Jews leader and must be married by a leader, he honored her and didn’t give her to any soldier, I don’t know from where did you get 17 years old age, but even though prophet Muhammad was 30 years old in shape even if he was 62 years I age.

He never aged and he looked like 30 years old man, he only had 12 white hairs in his head because of the 12 verses in Quran describing the Hell that makes these 12 hairs white only !!!

Read about him with white heart if you have one, or if you could, you really will love him…
About killing the Jewish woman, because she is the same whore “Salome” that killed John the Baptist and ordered to beheaded, this woman is of the same evil soul and God revenge from her before she can kill the prophet, she kept sending the assassinators to kill the prophet, but she couldn’t because ALLAH protected his prophet..

Yes, about Safiya why you forget to mention that she loved the prophet too much, that she followed him wherever he goes even after the prayer she kept waiting for him in the mosque, as if she wanted to see him as much as she can because she married him just 4 years before his death,
Why you didn’t mention when she complained to the prophet that his wives are calling her “the Jewish woman” Prophet Muhammad replied to her: WHY you don’t answer them: “yes I am Jewish woman, and My father is Aaron, and my uncle is Moses and my husband is Muhammad !!”

Nobody called her by Jewish woman after that anymore …

My Friend Quotable,

Muhammad is the last messenger from God, and keep ignoring this fact, you are betting on your life salvation and your family too your wife and children, believe me if you throw them all in hell because of you they will keep cursing you and beating you in hell billions of years for the bad destination that you lead them too, you will regret that when you saw them in fire all your life there, save them and save yourself..
It’s only a word and you will lose nothing, but you will be in safe side ever…

And you will keep loving Jesus and he will love you then much more…

It’s your decision..

Quotable Quotes: said...

Abdallah Muslim,
I would encourage you to think logically and not Islamically in respect to Safiya. Her age of 17 is recorded in the Tabaqat of Ibn Sad. Think of any 17 year old girl you know - your sister, daughter, or neighbor. Now imagine an old man (with head lice by the way - I am sure you know the Hadith) who exiled her from her home, cut off the head of her father and her brother, and then tortured and beheaded her husband. Only someone thinking Islamically could imagine that she would want to have sex with that person. What were her options? To be traded as a slave for horses and weapons as Muhammad had done with other female prisoners of war (I am sure you have read this in the Sira of Ibn Hisham).
Only by throwing logic under the rug and thinking Islamically could one actually believe the things you do about Muhammad and Safiya.

Abdallah Muslim said...

As Jesus asked once:

“Or how can you tell your brother, ‘Brother, let me remove the speck of chaff that is in your eye,’ when you yourself don’t see the beam that is in your own eye? You hypocrite! First remove the beam from your own eye, and then you can see clearly to remove the speck of chaff that is in your brother’s eye.” [Luke6:42]

You didn’t read in the bible:

Solomon had 700 wives and 300 salves women, tell me how old they were and how old he was, and don’t forget he died and still marrying 1000 women and girls..

David married 100 women and how old he was and how old they were…
You didn’t read: how virgins were offered as a dessert, just to calm his anger like when his SON raped his daughter, (means brother raped his sister) so he was so angry, or when they wanted to warm him..In such case, you don’t see it bad, just normal human behavior..

1 Now king David was old and stricken in years; and they covered him with clothes, but he gat no heat.
2 Wherefore his servants said unto him, Let there be sought for my lord the king a young virgin: and let her stand before the king, and let her cherish him, and let her lie in thy bosom, that my lord the king may get heat.
3 So they sought for a fair damsel throughout all the coasts of Israel, and found Abishag a Shunammite, and brought her to the king. 1Kings[1].

You didn’t read how the Israeli soldiers raped thousands of women, and when they discovered a woman is not virgin they kill her, and keep only the virgins (or who were ..)

Abdallah Muslim said...

Although I am sure that nothing will convince you, so you are free to read the below or not or delete it, as you wish, and I am not doing that for you even, but for someone who may don’t know about Islam and see how you deceive people from truth …

You always see the thing that you can convert it from white to black, from good to bad, but the thing that can’t be converted you will never see it, such as:

When prophet walks in street and the trees bend to cover him from sun lights and his nice self odor fill all the way that people knows that prophet had passed in this way, You don’t see it, because you can’t convert it to bad thing..

When he passes by a stone (still known in Makkah), it greets the prophet that all people whether believers or not, hear it saying: “Peace upon on you O ALLAH’s Apostle” , You don’t see it..

When someone sick or injured and the prophet touched him: he been cured immediately, You don’t see it..

When they were in desert and short of water and asked him: he put his hand inside the bowl and the water bubbles out between his fingers, You don’t see it..

When the infidels who just run away from the battle and he captured their camels and sheep and follow him, they asked him to give them back, he returned everything back, You don’t see it..

You don’t see when a new muslim comes to him and told him what he did when he was infidel, that he buried his little girl alive as Arabs used to do before Islam, that prophet cried from hearing this, that other companions told the guy go away from his face so he forgets what did you say to him and calm a little bit, You don’t see it..

You don’t see that because you can’t convert them to bad things..
But when he fight or marry it will be easy to you or others like you to mixed it with your bad thoughts and create stories as your master devil wishes..

Abdallah Muslim said...

About prophet age, in numbers it was 63 when he dead, but in shape and form and face and power and body, he was young as 30 whether you believe it or not, I DON’T EVEN CARE…

For Safiya, she saw a dream before marrying the prophet, that the moon fall from sky and rest in her hands, so she woke up and told her husband the dream, he slapped her on her face, and said: you wish to marry the prophet of Arabs !!

Later on he was killed in the fight with muslims and she was married to the prophet, he asked her first when he saw the bruise over her eye, who did that for you? And she told him the story of her dream…

She and all other his wives they loved him so much and wished always to just be close to him, they used to took his sweat of his face while sleeping to mix it with their perfumes, and when asked them why doing that? They said their perfumes will become much more pleasant..

They used to wash his clothes and treat the sick or injured people, so they healed very fast than usual..

So, whether you believe it or not, I DON’T EVEN CARE

Abdallah Muslim said...

Finally, Quotable

You think if I replied to you again and again and again, or if there is anything in world that may convince you, NO there is NOT !!

I told you if you still seeing in devil eyes, there is nothing will help you to see the truth…

Like someone is given a nice and delicious white milk but filling it in a dirty cup like one used to carry dirty changed cars oil, every time he fills white milk he will see it dirty, therefore no use...

So, can you change the cup first?..
It’s your mind and your eyes, and it’s built in your DNA thousands of years ago..

You grand grand fathers saw prophet’s companions and among the millions of Copts who accepted islam, your fathers didn’t accept and didn’t understand it and till now you are on the same path..

So, are you more intelligent than them, I doubt !!

Allah created all types of people:
Of extremely decent and nice souls to very bad arrogant souls..
Of extremely intelligent minds to extremely stupid minds ..

And they are distributed on all people, such as:

1- Those who are extremely decent and extremely intelligent people will be like prophets souls, and those who are closely to them will be like very decent believers.

2- Even the combination of Dirty souls with intelligent minds, if they think a little bit they can save themselves from hell and follow the right path.

3- Dull but decent people, also can save themselves.

4- But the problem is when someone has dirty dark arrogant soul and he is stupid too, then those are the people of hell ..

Those are the unfortunate people and whatever they were preached, it won’t be useful for them, because of their wickedness, they will always see the white as black and even when their mind give them signs about the correct path, their arrogant soul will not accept it and they will keep refusing it..

And they inherit both features from their families generation after generation and will keep giving them for their descendents too..(till Jesus come again), as Noah said in his prayer:

“And Nûh (Noah) said: "My Lord! Leave not one of the disbelievers on the earth! (26)
“If You leave them, they will mislead Your slaves, and they will beget none but wicked disbelievers." (27)

Actually, this what you have to worry about more than anything else in the world..

aemish said...

*mmmwah! Thank you for not shirking off my questions.. I'm only sorry I forget to check for your answers in a more timely manner.

You have given me a lot to digest and that is just the way I like it :o)

aemish said...

Well.. okay, here goes.. I thought ALL Judeo/Christian/Islamic religions were, as best we now archeologically recognize, mere copies from religions prominent within pre-historic Sumeria. This is kind of Islam's 'thing' in my book. It seems to be the only one pure enough to admit it. No?

Anonymous said...

Adballah. When Mohammand says that he didn't perform any mirales why would you? The Koran holds no miracles and the hadiths were written well after he died. Other than the hadiths what other sources do you have for a case for miracles?

The Jewish historian Josephus writes about Jesus did miracles even though he associated them with magic.

Abdallah Muslim said...

Dear Friend, Anonymous

Who told you the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) didn’t have any miracle? And where did you read the HE said that he didn’t do any miracle?

Actually, some Muslims scholars counted almost 1000 miracles for prophet Muhammad, such as blessing of food, water, healing people, raining, prophecies, scientific facts, etc.. You can read some on:

But, prophet Muhammad didn’t concentrate on physical miracles, because their effect is spontaneous and for those who watch it directly, and he didn’t want us to depend on him for this only, he taught us the way, and every time someone request from him a treatment, he asked him to pray and to ask ALLAH, as if training us to ask God as we will not have the prophet with us forever:

أن أعمى أتى إلى رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فقال يا رسول الله ادع الله أن يكشف لي عن بصري قال أو أدعك قال يا رسول الله إنه قد شق علي ذهاب بصري قال فانطلق فتوضأ ، ثم صل ركعتين ، ثم قل : اللهم إني أسألك ، وأتوجه إليك بنبيي محمد نبي الرحمة ، يا محمد ! إني أتوجه إلى ربي بك أن يكشف لي عن بصري ، اللهم شفعه في ، وشفعني في نفسي فرجع وقد كشف الله عن بصره
الراوي: عثمان بن حنيف المحدث: الألباني - المصدر: صحيح الترغيب - الصفحة أو الرقم: 681
خلاصة حكم المحدث: صحيح

But, if you want to see a miracle by your own eyes and immediately now, read the following Hadith where Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) tells his companions that below the Sea water there is a fire and below this fire there is a SEA!!

لا تركب البحر إلا حاجا أو معتمرا أو غازيا في سبيل الله فإن تحت البحر نارا وتحت النار بحرا
الراوي: عبدالله بن عمرو بن العاص المحدث: ابن حجر العسقلاني - المصدر: تخريج مشكاة المصابيح - الصفحة أو الرقم: 4/18
خلاصة حكم المحدث:]حسن كما قال في المقدمة[

To see this miracle go to the following article and read about Core structure of Earth and its temperature, and see how below its Crust which is very thin under Sea floor, there is the LAVA and it’s temperature equal to 1000 Kelvin equal to our fire temperature.

And below this layer, there is the outer core which is in Liquid state and have waves like a sea !!! And below that there is the inner core which is Iron in Solid state..


Of course Prophet Muhammad knows that from God, and he will not use the scientific terms that are used by scientists currently, so there will be always who deny such signs, and those will never believe till they will be fried on hell fire as ALLAH says:

Verily, that which you are promised (i.e. Resurrection in the Hereafter and receiving the reward or punishment of good or bad deeds) is surely true. (5)
And verily, the Recompense is sure to happen. (6) By the heaven full of paths, (7)
Certainly, you have different ideas (about Muhammad SAW and the Qur'ân). (8)
Turned aside therefrom (i.e. from Muhammad SAW and the Qur’ân) is he who is turned aside (by the Decree and Preordainment القضاء والقدر of Allâh). (9)
Cursed be the liars, (10)
Who are under a cover of heedlessness (think not about the gravity of the Hereafter), (11)
They ask;"When will be the Day of Recompense?" (12)
(It will be) a Day when they will be tried (punished i.e. burnt) over the Fire! (13)
"Taste you your trial (punishment i.e. burning)! This is what you used to ask to be hastened!" (14)

Read more about Quran miracles on, if you are interested:


Anonymous said...

Quotable Quotes, for you to think "logically" you need to have all the background information in their context regarding Safiya's marriage with the Prophet. Seeing that not too many critics bother with this nowadays and our best sources are in Arabic, we can see your confusions.

Firstly, quote evidence that he exiled her from her home and then if you do, see to it that it's authentic. Then, we will see if you have what it takes not to take it out of it's historical context.

Safiya's father and husband were killed because they committed a crime.


She had the option to marry Dihya Al Kalby which the Prophet offered at first.

Prophet's companions encouraged the Prophet to marry her giving good reasons. She had to option to marry Dihya or the Prophet, to reject them or to return to her Jewish people. She choose Islam & to marry the Prophet (Ibn Saad 8/123). This marriage wasn't merely in interest of the Islamic state, but it also cemented alliances with the Jewish tribes, and so the bitterness between the Jews and Muslims could fade away.

Also, slavery in Islam isn't anything like Europeanors were treated in the past. Apart from war prisoners & captives, there is no other type of slavery allowed in Islam. War in the first place arises from those who fight against you (Surah 2:190-1, 8:60-61, etc in historical background).

The rules on how to treat slaves are very strict. You must treat them as your brother/sister, free them if they wanted freedom, etc.


So, your the one who seems to have sadly closed the door of logic and knowledge.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous, the Prophet did do miracles as Abdullah pointed out. More are here:

Examples like: splitting the moon, cursing eyes, controlled rain, etc are not something that would satisfy Christians, because we can't go back in the past to analyse miracles claims.

The Quran is a recitation, and this itself is a linguistic miracle, due to the fact that no-one during the Prophet's time could produce something like it, nor anyone in 1420+ years.

There are no miracles Christians have which one can verify today. The argument of Bible prophecies is firstly weak, because :

1) the prophecies are often vague

2) based on documents written decades after the Biblical Prophets existed,

3) written mostly by anonymous authors & some books are even forged (See Dr Bart Ehrman's latest book)

4) Alleged prophecies like Isaiah 53 are based on misrepresenting the Jewish language to fit with Christian doctrine which goes against Jewish doctrines & Torah

5) And, as William Lane Craig would admit that you have to be a Christian first before believing in the alleged prophecies in OT (http://reasonablefaith.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=6136)

The hadiths weren't written "well after he died." This is a common ignorant claim, which has been dealt with:


According to your logic of attacking the hadiths supposedly written after his death, you must also throw your Bible out & attack that, because nothing of the Bible we have today was written during the time of any of the Prophets.

Lastly, if you want to compare the reliability of your documents vs ours in light of the methadologies, any objective person would see how our documents are far more historically reliable than yours.

We have a chain of transmission from the time the hadith collecter collected a hadith, going back to the Prophet, next generation and the next, as to where each one got their information from. If any narrator in the chain had been reported to be a liar, that particular hadith would automatically would become weak or sometimes mawdo (fabricated).

In contrast, there is no unbroken chain of narrators nor recorders of information going back to the time of Jesus or Moses and also, we have no ideas who wrote most of the Biblical books, as most are anonymous. The Gospels were given their names 200 years after, coz these names didn't start appearing till then. For more, go:



Anonymous said...

If Jesus has almost 2/3 of world's population as His followers, He must be alive, true in His statement, still saving, and delivering people from their sins, which only God can forgive sins, and change people from sinners to saints, Jesus is the only one who had stated that He and God are one, because He came down from heaven to be manifested in human image, to show us the truth, to deliver us from sin, to save us for eternity, and to come back and take us to heaven, Jesus is the only one who stated that He is the " way, truth and life" no man can go to heaven unless through Jesus.

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