Thursday, May 21, 2009

Why Christians Can't Debate Muslims

I've been watching some Muslim-Christian debates recently, and frankly, the Christians don't usually do very well. Here are three reasons I think this is true.

1. The Muslim's mind is made up before the discussion even begins.

(Or, if I were as blunt as Simon Cowell, I might say, The Muslim has a closed mind). He comes into the debate absolutely convinced of four things: 1) Muhammad is the perfect man, 2) the Quran is the perfect book, 3) Islam is the perfect religion, and 4) if you disagree, you are totally wrong. His role in the debate is only to convince you that he is right and you are wrong. As my Islamics professor Dr. Ismail Al Faruqi used to say, "To convince someone of the truth of Islam, you give them evidence. If they refuse to believe, give them more evidence. If they continue to refuse, you conclude they are either malicious or ignorant."

This is a world apart from the Western idea of debate where two opposing sides present their ideas, discuss the evidence, and reach conclusions in which they both might change their minds. There is no give and take on the part of a Muslim when she is discussing the things she is convinced of before the debate begins.

The Muslim might respond to the above paragraph by saying, "Everyone does that; not just us." Well, I don't. I go into a discussion prepared to listen, think, and change my mind if I see I was wrong. When I read, for example, the books of Bart Ehrman that challenge the way I have looked at my faith or the Bible, I'm prepared to rethink my beliefs. That doesn't happen with the Muslim.

(A quick aside; Muslims love writers such as Ehrman who challenge traditional Christian assumptions, but a Muslim Bart Ehrman - that is, a Muslim scholar who used the same scholarship to reach the same conclusions about the Quran that Ehrman has about the Bible - would be ostracized in America and beheaded in Saudi Arabia. It's interesting how many ex-Christian pastors convert to Islam when their beliefs about the Bible are challenged. Rather than use the challenge to grow to a more mature understanding of faith, they jettison it all and go on a lifelong quest for the "perfect book" which they eventually conclude is the Quran).

The result is that the debate with the Muslim will never go very deep. It can't because he is unwilling to be challenged in what he believes.

2. Muslims love to throw out "facts" that the Christian is unable to counter.

As a child I heard the statement, "A fool can ask more questions in five minutes than a wise man can answer in a lifetime." Similarly, the Muslim can make more claims in a twenty-minute debate than a person who doesn't know much about Islam can answer in a long time. Even to do the research is a daunting task.

Here's one example; I could give dozens. Muslims love to say, "Muhammad forbade the practice of female infanticide, which was commonly practiced in the jahaliya (pre-Islamic period of ignorance)". One online Islamic site claims, "Prior to the advent of Islam, female infanticide was rampant in Arabia. Baby girls were buried alive the moment they emerged from their mother's womb."

When the Christian hears that infanticide was "rampant" but Muhammad stopped it, she thinks, "Wow, that's impressive." Not one in ten thousand can give a response.

The fact is, the Muslim claim that Muhammad forbade this practice is based upon a single sentence in Quran 81:8,9. In the midst of a striking and poetic description of the final Day of Judgment, Muhammad asks, "When the female who was killed at birth will be asked, 'What was your crime?', what will her response be?"

The historical truth is that female infanticide was not "rampant" in Saudi Arabia. It was seen as something shameful by the Arab tribes themselves. The Quran, the hadith, and the early biographies of Muhammad are filled with the names of women who obviously were not killed at birth. Female infanticide was an exceptional practice condemned by the Arabs themselves.

The most authoritative biography of Muhammad, "The Life of the Prophet" by Ibn Ishaq, discusses a group of men who broke with polytheism to follow the monotheism of Abraham before Muhammad announced that he was a prophet. These men, known as the hanifs, were relatives and associates of Muhammad, and he was greatly influenced by their beliefs as a young man. They practiced meditation in the caves of Hara and Muhammad, following their example, was in the same cave when he claimed Gabriel appeared to him.

Ibn Ishaq says the following about one of these hanifs, "Zayd bin Amr stayed as he was; he accepted neither Judaism or Christianity. He abandoned the religion of his people and abstained from idols, animals that had died, and things offered to idols. He forbade the killing of infant daughters, saying that he worshipped the God of Abraham, and he publicly rebuked his people for their practices."

The following is clear from Islamic history itself:
1. Female infanticide was the exception, not the rule, in pre-Islamic Saudi Arabia.
2. The hanifs, who were associates of the young Muhammad and included his wife's cousin Waraqa bin Naufal, condemned the practice and publicly rebuked those who did it long before Muhammad mentioned the subject in the Quran.

My point is that it takes a lot of research for the average person to counter the claims Muslims so easily throw out in discussions and debates. We haven't done that research, and we are easily duped by those claims.

3. Muslims don't always tell the truth in debates.

(Again, if I were Simon Cowell, I might have phrased the above sentence a bit differently).

It amazes me how easily Muslims in America throw out information that is a lie. Again, there are dozens of examples, but one of the most common is that Aisha was a teenager when Muhammad married her. EVERYBODY in the Middle East has known for 1400 years Aisha was 9 years old when Muhammad married her; it's not even a matter of discussion. Realizing that the idea of a self-proclaimed 53 year old religious prophet having sexual intercourse with a 9 year old child is distasteful to Americans and is cause for really bad jokes (What do you call a Catholic priest who has sex with a 9 year old? A pedophile. What do you call a Muslim who does the same thing? Khatem Al Anbiah - the seal of the prophets), Muslims simply change their own history. I've given information about Aisha before, so won't repeat it here.

So the next time you hear a Muslim argue that "jihad is an inner spiritual struggle", or "the Quran explains osteoporosis" (yes, there is a verse in the Quran where Zakariya complained about his grey hair and his "weak bones"), or "Muhammad understood embryology hundreds of years before medical science" (because the Quran discusses "the piece of dirt" and the "nuftah" and the "attached thing like a leech" and the "piece of chewed-up thing" for which ten Arab scholars will give ten different explanations), take it with a grain of salt. If you are inclined to believe what you hear, at least take the time to do the research.


Rain said...

Actually these day...there are many Christians in US who can debate Muslims. May be you don't know about them. So I post some of their address for you

Some even challenge Zakir Naik to debate with them but no reply. He only dare to debate Christians who know nothing about Islam.

God Bless

Tommy Peters said...

“This is a world apart from the Western idea of debate where two opposing sides present their ideas, discuss the evidence, and reach conclusions in which they both might change their minds. There is no give and take on the part of a Muslim when she is discussing the things she is convinced of before the debate begins”.

A friend and teacher at the local mosque (in Kuala Lumpur) had me over for a meal to discuss religion. He appeared more curious than happy that I am studying Islam. I said for such discussion to take a linear rather than a cyclical route, we will have step out of our religious shoes and accept two basic precepts. (1) That the existence of God is unproven, i.e. it is in the realm of ‘belief’ rather than ‘knowledge’. (2) Man is born ‘free’. Freedom to choose (or change ones religion) is an inherent feature of ones soul as much as the nose is an inherent part of ones anatomy.

He said he is willing to step out of his religious shoes but (1) and (2) are unacceptable, if not blasphemous to his doctrine. I said then, we will discuss bicycles rather than religion, but the man was insistent that we proceed.

I explained to him that there are three forces jostling for pole position if the discussion is to proceed. Fundamentalism • Reason • Anarchy.

I said to him that I agree with Dennis Prager that Fundamentalism and Anarchy are ‘processes’ rather than 'conditions'. Fundamentalism has the upper hand because Anarchy is a spiritual cousin who stands by him. Reason, on the other hand, is a ‘condition’ that stands alone on a different plane.

Well, my friend is warming up to me again. He called me the other day and wants to meet. He said he now understands what I was saying and has enough tools in his toolkit to take this discussion on a linear route.

Sir, you have a great blog. Keep up the good work.

Cheers, Tommy

Susanne said...

Really interesting post! I enjoyed it so much!

Anonymous said...

The terms “father”and “son” were used metaphorically, not literally. “father” was used by the Hebrews to indicate the Spiritual Father, not the literal father. Similarly, "son" is used to indicate a righteous person.

For about 400 years, the Christians believed Jesus to be just a prophet. It was later that the Church adopted the pagan concept of “son of God.”

If Jesus is the son of God then Christians should also believe:

David is the begotten Son of God. (Psalms 2:7)

Jacob is God's firstborn son. (Exodus 4:22)

Ephraim is God's firstborn son. (Jeremiah 31:9) [how many firstborns son there is?]

Solomon is God's son (2 Samuel 7:13-14)

Adam is the son of God. (Luke 3:38)

All the people who are righteous are sons of God. (Mathew 5:9) and (Deuteronomy 14:1)

Christians always accused Muhammad as a Pedophiles...but Muslim never accused Jesus as a Gay..why? Muslim respect Jesus for being the messenger the prophet of least Christians should respect Muhammad as a prophet evethough his name was not stated in the Bible..same as Jesus name was not written in the Torah.

Kalki said...

Reply to anonymous regarding

"Christians always accused Muhammad as a Pedophiles...but Muslim never accused Jesus as a Gay..why? Muslim respect Jesus for being the messenger the prophet of least Christians should respect Muhammad as a prophet evethough his name was not stated in the Bible..same as Jesus name was not written in the Torah."

ARE YOU RETARDED? Your prophet was a pedophile cuz he had sex with a kid and you books say so. Where did you get information about Jesus being gay? Please answer how did you come to this conclusion?

Unknown said...

What i can conclude from various debates -but no offence whatsoever: Christian faith is the greatest stumbling block to islam, muhammad the founder learnt christianity from nestorian priest and he developed his religion in years as social and political vehicle to gain power - the religion that brainwash any muslim kid to kill, destroy, white-lying, or do anything to uphold islam in the name of allah - all other than islam is devil - they are all able to recite and memorize all quran content but not even know the meaning. Some quran words have no translation in arabic, too ancient to be defined in the correct context even by any islamic scholar. There is no new teaching in islam it is similar to judaism - no pork, circumcition - but a stark difference to christianity - to love one another, love your enemy. This is the point that islam cant take jesus teaching. Islam took jesus as prophet yes, but islam cant explain what is jesus teaching and cant follow christian jesus teaching. Islam have to destroy every single aspect of christian faith by whatever way - in order to sustain islam teaching.........just some points to ponder,

Unknown said...

What i can conclude from various debates -but no offence whatsoever: Christian faith is the greatest stumbling block to islam, muhammad the founder learnt christianity from nestorian priest and he developed his religion in years as social and political vehicle to gain power - the religion that brainwash any muslim kid to kill, destroy, white-lying, or do anything to uphold islam in the name of allah - all other than islam is devil - they are all able to recite and memorize all quran content but not even know the meaning. Some quran words have no translation in arabic, too ancient to be defined in the correct context even by any islamic scholar. There is no new teaching in islam it is similar to judaism - no pork, circumcition - but a stark difference to christianity - to love one another, love your enemy. This is the point that islam cant take jesus teaching. Islam took jesus as prophet yes, but islam cant explain what is jesus teaching and cant follow christian jesus teaching. Islam have to destroy every single aspect of christian faith by whatever way - in order to sustain islam teaching.........just some points to ponder,

Anonymous said...

she was not the 9 year old of today she was developed mature for her age totally different from what we perceive today.

ALHAQQ said...

kenntuul you are talking like animal, you forget that many people are always reason about religion . muslim are always recognise jesus as prophet of GOD but christians are always against prophet muhamad with ignorant . now how can you proof that these prophecy below is not prophecy of muhamad.DEUT. CHAPTER 33 VS 2

ALHAQQ said...

kenntuul you are talking like animal, you forget that many people are always reason about religion . muslim are always recognise jesus as prophet of GOD but christians are always against prophet muhamad with ignorant . now how can you proof that these prophecy below is not prophecy of muhamad.DEUT. CHAPTER 33 VS 2
Is it possible that the numerous prophecies cited here are all individually and combined out of context misinterpretations? Is the opposite true, that such infrequently studied verses fit together consistently and clearly point to the advent of the man who changed the course of human history, Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Is it reasonable to conclude that all these prophecies, appearing in different books of the Bible and spoken by various prophets at different times were all coincidence? If this is so here is another strange "coincidence"!

One of the signs of the prophet to come from Paran (Mecca) is that he will come with "ten thousands of saints" (Deuteronomy 33:2 KJV). That was the number of faithful who accompanied Prophet Muhammad to Paran (Mecca) in his victorious, bloodless return to his birthplace to destroy the remaining symbols of idolatry in the Ka'bah.

Says God as quoted by Moses:
And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him. (Deuteronomy 18:19)

ALHAQQ said...


Deuteronomy 33:1-2 combines references to Moses, Jesus and Muhammad. It speaks of God (i.e. God's revelation) coming from Sinai, rising from Seir (probably the village of Sa'ir near Jerusalem) and shining forth from Paran. According to Genesis 21:21, the wilderness of Paran was the place where Ishmael settled (i.e. Arabia, specifically Mecca).

Indeed the King James version of the Bible mentions the pilgrims passing through the valley of Ba'ca (another name of Mecca) in Psalms 84:4-6.

Isaiah 42:1-13 speaks of the beloved of God. His elect and messenger who will bring down a law to be awaited in the isles and who "shall not fail nor be discouraged till he have set judgement on earth." Verse 11, connects that awaited one with the descendants of Ke'dar. Who is Ke'dar? According to Genesis 25:13, Ke'dar was the second son of Ishmael, the ancestor of prophet Muhammad.

Unknown said...

How he can say without studying the Al-Quran. He is wrong i can prove it, look at this phrase ''2. The hanifs, who were associates of the young Muhammad and included his wife's cousin Waraqa bin Naufal, condemned the practice and publicly rebuked those who did it long before Muhammad mentioned the subject in the Quran. " . I explain . The madhab or the following of imam is not in any hadis or in the Al-Quran . This show that the guy who post this did not study Islam . Sorry brother no use of posting like this. May Allah give hidayah to u all.

Anonymous said...

Muslims debate with a prepared mind???? oh,come on...Don't they say the things which were preached by the prophets a long ago????? You look so egoistic ,,,Don't be on fire bro/ accuse prophet Muhammad(pbuh)married a girl of 9 yrs it's because you are comparing today's godless secular rules to the rules of that time brother,even you would have got married at an early age and would probably have had 4-5 children by the current age,,first of all,one who reached puberty was married(given to marriage){under strict laws of Almighty as in torah,gospel (uncorrupted)and the Glorious Qur'an }so as to avoid the illegal activities like love, affairs ,sex as this so called modern Jude o-Christian society has embraced so that one can have sex freely on demand with anybody on pretext of love!!!! but if you still say this act as the most heinous,,What can you say about these verses from bible:["That night they (both the daughters of Lot) gave him(their father Lot) wine to drink and the older daughter had INTERCOURSE with him ..."(GENESIS 19:33-35),, "While Jacob (Israel) was living in the land, Reuben (his firstborn, his eldest son) had SEXUAL INTERCOURSE with Bilhah, his father's concubine. (GENESIS 35:22){King
James andRCVs},,THER ARE STILL MORE VERSES]..bro/sis don't you think these are all the fabrications about the prophets but most of the people are applying these to life and say filthy things about the TRUE RELIGION of Prophets including Jesus(pbuh)&Muhammad(pbuh),,,LET US STUDY THE TRUE RELIGION OF OUR PROPHETS LET US STUDY THE QURAN AND SEEK THE LIGHT OF ALLAH,,,AMEEN

Anonymous said...

The prophecy tells about Ahmad; 'Servant of God' whom will war to correct the wrongs and bringing judgement based on the law of God. He will also liberate Arabia from worshiping molten images. Wilderness (desert), villages and cities will glorify God since then. As can be seen today, whole of Arabia are worshiping,praising God and singing words of God daily.

And we continue reading Isaiah 42:18 - 25; about Children of Israel, whom will still be deaf and blind neglecting the message brought by this 'Servant of God'.

In Isaiah 42:1, it is not a coincidence upon seeing the writing of both אתמך (Atmc) אחמד (Ahmd). And the word before אתמך (Atmc), is עבדי (Abedi~My Servant). For indeed, It is indicating Ahmad; Abedallah (Ahmad; Servant of God).

Not to mention אתמך (Atmc) is a special term foretelling the coming of a righteous man and is used only ONCE throughout the entire Book. [could this be a copying error or an intended error?]

Children of Israel have been foretold upon the coming of Ahmad but sadly, only a few accepts.

Anonymous said...

Simple: Muslim has the truth and they are confident and true that Islam is correct, whereas the author of this blog has himself listed out deficiency of Christianity debaters as their religious text and their scholars has left them to lurch. So explore Islam if you are truthful and submit to will of Allaah.

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Anonymous said...

It's funny how we argue now but the thing is, especially what we learned in school is that catholics are winning the population(in statistics told through media) but the truth of it is that there are more muslims in the world then christians and we shall see at the day of judgement. So believe what you want to believe and please stop making fun of other religions, try to be humble about it. and stop trying to sell books cuz your goals probably won't work, we believe what we believe and in the Quran it says respect others religion, so stop hating and calling the prophet names, cuz you sure will go to hell, i could bet on that.

Anonymous said...

It's funny how we argue now but the thing is, especially what we learned in school is that catholics are winning the population(in statistics told through media) but the truth of it is that there are more muslims in the world then christians and we shall see at the day of judgement. So believe what you want to believe and please stop making fun of other religions, try to be humble about it. and stop trying to sell books cuz your goals probably won't work, we believe what we believe and in the Quran it says respect others religion, so stop hating and calling the prophet names, cuz you sure will go to hell, i could bet on that.

Anonymous said...

To you who are ignorant of the Scriptures, please do not twist it's meaning. The book of the prophet Isaiah chapter 42, the "Servant of God", does not speak of Muhammad, but of Christ. For Christ himself said to the Jews in the synagogue in Nazareth, "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because He has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord's favour."(Luke 4:14-20) This is reference from the book of Isaiah chapter 61:1-2.

Anonymous said...

For "the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many."(Matthew 20:28)
And that goes for you who deny Christ's vicarious death upon the cross. Jesus himself said that He came not to be served, but to serve others, and to give His life as a ransom for us.

Matthew 20:17-19. "Now as Jesus was going up to Jerusalem, he took the twelve disciples aside and said to them, 'We are going up to Jerusalem, and the Son of Man will be betrayed to the chief priests and the teachers of the law. They will condemn him to death and will turn him over to the Gentiles to be mocked and flogged and crucified. On the third day he will be raised to life!'"

Anonymous said...

The answer is so basic:
Christianity cannot stand. Admit it.
A proof?
Most Christian either change to other religions or decided to be without one, have you visited a church recently?

Want another?
The most growing religion in the world is ISLAM.

Take more...
Look at wow many priests and preachers converted to Islam, and then see how many Muslim Scholar converted to Christianity?

Finally, accept the truth, be with it not against it, your ignorance will not hurt any one but you.

Peace upon those who follow the truth and want to follow it.

Anonymous said...

There is only one quran and therefore one translation. There are several copies of that quran that is studied all over the world so you cant say that some quran is ancient to be translated because there is only one.
Secondly I have christian friends who are strict practicing christians and you know what they dont eat pork and have circumcision for boys.
thirdly islam is about love and peace as you might have heard the greeting of salam (peace) as well as the love and respect that we should give to our elders, children, neighbours. Any act of violence towards innocents is prohibited in islam. There is not much difference between islam and christianity apart from the fact that we give jesus as much importance than any other prophet and that muhammed was the last prophet came to invite mankind to way of the creator.
I respect your argument but sometimes you should have the knowledge of the opposing side.

Britedream said...

Believe is not a dress you tailor and improve on it to fit your desire, either it is a command from your creator to follow or not, if it is not then you must discard it. islam is not a race; that means your father, brother, sister, or a friend could be a muslim, and debate with you, so the idea you have been knocking on is totally wrong.

Unknown said...

Yusuf Ali Quran translation says : "That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not":-

so over this sura all christians go beserk and says that it is a false statement and it is not a revelation from God, and it may infact seem like that on the first glimpse but let us examine it closer...

If you ask a Jehovas witness if Jesus was crucified he/she would say something like this: There is nowhere in the Gospel where it says that it was on a cross he got nailed to, if you read the old greek scriptures it says " stauros" wich is translated to something more similliar to a "stake". for more info do your own research!!

so now we can see that the quran sura had right in the " nor crucified him" and now to the next " They killed him not" here it comes:
John 10:17-18 For this reason the Father loves Me, because I lay down My life so that I may take it again. 18"No one has taken it away from Me, but I lay it down on My own initiative. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This commandment I received from My Father." and more

John 19:30New American Standard Bible (NASB)

30 Therefore when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And He bowed His head and gave up His spirit.

Luke 23:46New International Version (NIV)

46 Jesus called out with a loud voice, “Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.”[a] When he had said this, he breathed his last.

Now we can see clear that it was Jesus who gave up his spirit they did not deliver the final blow , he was on the "stake" only for six hours and usually it can take up to 2 days, that is why they wanted to break their bones before the sabbath, but jesus had already given up his spirit so they pierced him with the spear instead.

So if you are a true believer you need to belive all the three books and convenants, not starting to fight amongst us who belive in the most high God JHVH, have faith and do your research.

one love, one God!! blessings

Britedream said...

Well, if Quran is inspires words of God, then we must follow it, if it is a human invention then we should not. in order to examine the possibility of a human doing this , one should watch this lecture in the following link:

Anonymous said...

Wait for Imam Mehdhi..........

Ss said...

I think ur the anti christ and the book (u say is the bible) ur reading not what other christians are a satanic devil worshiping book or ur in a mental asylum were ur being. Treated for delusional schizophrenia ur just talking out ur back side aswell

Anonymous said...

John3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His One and only Son that whosoever believes inHim may not die but have eternal life.

[ These are very words of our Lord andSavior Jesus the Son of God. Please christians do not argue with the muslims.For they do not know what they r doing or saying. They even do not know who they are serving. As for us the Christians we know whom we serve.He is in you through His Spirit. Just pray that the lord would also open their eyes and save them (muslim and other non christians)]

Iman said...

One day, a christian came to me. He said. You know what, all human beings were born with sin. I said. How come?
He said. Ya. Because our ancester Adam pbuh commited sin. So, we inherit his sin. That is why you have to be saved by accepting Jesus.
I said. Wait a minute. First, I was never asked to be born in this world. Why is it all of sudden I already have sin. Besides, it was Adam pbuh who did the sin. Why should we have to take the responsibility. And if God is merciful surely He must have forgiven Adam pbuh after he asked for forgiveness.
He said. No. It is not like that. The sin Adam pbuh committed stays till the end of the world. So, you need to be saved.
I said. Nonsense. It doesn't make sense at all. It is not logical at all. What kind of God is He, not accepting forgiveness. Even putting the responsibility to us Adam pbuh children. This God is relly not fair.
He said. That's the fact. And you cannot use logic with religion.
I said. Religion is a very important thing that will determine your life in the world and in the days after you die. How is it possible that you should not use logic? Let me tell you what my religion Islam say about this matter. Adam pbuh did the sin causing him and his wife to be sent to out of heaven. But then, he asked for forgiveness and so God forgive him. Because God is merciful. That's it. Since God already forgave him, his children is not responsible for Adam sin. In our religion, all children born to this world are as pure of white paper with no sin at all.
The christian friend could not continue arguing with me. He said he would like to learn the Qur'an.
Since then, we never discussed religion anymore and I wonder what's on his mind after the discussion.

You see, we moslem never prepare anything for any discussion. It is just that Islam is the true religion that make corrections of the past religions.

If you are still in doubt of Islam, please asked your God sincerely to help guide you by saying something like this "Dear God please guide the truth. If you do not guide me I will surely be miserable".

Thank you.

Anonymous said...

Excuse me? No. Just plain no. Do you know what zakir nalik's intentions are for lecturig? Obviously he has a good reason he hasnt respnded. Maybe he doesnt have the time to debate a person that wmt bother getting something out of it. *Cough cough* arougant ppl.
Secondly and most importantly, WHY ON EARTH WOULD SOMEONE WANT TO DEBATE ABOUT SOMETHING THEY HAVE NO IDEA ABOUT? U clearly said, "he doesnt dare debate someone other than ppl who dont obow about islam" like first of all, why would u debate about somethig u dont know about like, obviously hes gonna win! Like talk logic.

Anonymous said...

Been reading this exchange and just wanted to say that I have read both books and just from the point of a compelling story and lession in how to live your life the Bible has it right. The New Testiment story of Love, tolerance, acceptence, forgiveness by the examples of Crist are more in tune with today now more then ever. Also the story of Christ can grow and adapt in the future. When I read the quran I was very depressed and disappointed that if this was the voice of god and this is what muslims summit to and trust their everlasting sole to then what a sad way to live. Islam is stuck in the 7th century and has no hope of ever growing or adapting to the needs of the present or the future. We Christians have meet the challenges of different centuries and have the ability to tell the story of salvation to the present and the furture threw the example of the life of Christ. (All Prase, Glory, Honor be given to him now and forever)

Anonymous said...

I have heard many debates where Muslims want a statement from Jesus saying plainly "I am God". Yet they claim to accept at face value the synoptic gospels in which Jesus was repeatedly pressed by His fellow countrymen for a sign or an outright statement that He was the Messiah, and He refused. He said an evil and adulterous generation seeks proof and signs. There was also a reason for Jesus to have the people remain in suspense.God had to hide what He planned to accomplish in Jesus' death and resurrection from satan. There are many places in the old testament where it is plainly stated that there are things which are hidden to anyone but those who have had their eyes or ears "opened", and people pray that God would not "hide" His commandments from them.(Psalm 40:6, Psalm 119:18-19)

Another problem for Muslims is that if Jesus was truly a prophet (which they claim to believe) then he was a very poor one, since He allowed people to worship Him and did not rebuke them, which any prophet worth his salt would have done. When the man called Him "Good Master" and Jesus replied "Why do you call Me good? there is none good but God", He was leaving open the possibility for the man to call Jesus God if that man had been willing to do so. There are many other places in the new testament where people worshiped Jesus with no rebuke from Him.

The "hidden" things of God's plan begins with the creation of Eve. When Adam was made, God took a lump of clay and "squeezed him out"(yahtz-ahr). Straightforward and simple. When it came to the creation of Eve, God "built" (ben) her, implying something more complicated and requiring understanding. I believe this is when the human, physical part of the Messiah was "built" into Eve, hidden away and protected, awaiting the right time to be brought forth by being filled with the Holy Spirit. This "Seed of the woman" would be passed down from Eve to all her daughters. In all of the bible, descent of offspring is traced through the male. Eve is the only woman to have very important attention drawn to her seed. In John's gospel, the book of Hebrews, and 1John 4:9 the phrase "only begotten Son" should be translated "one of a kind Son". Mono - genea in Greek. That is because He was brought forth from the Seed, which was hidden in every daughter of Eve, but the one in Mary was chosen. This Seed was designed to be protected from the results of Eve's sin. Arthur Custance's book "The Seed of the Woman" explains how it was set up, and how God was able to bring an uncorrupted human forth even though the carrier had been corrupted by sin. When Job asked, "Can a clean thing be brought forth from the unclean? Not one." he was unaware that God can do this.

(To be continued)

Anonymous said...

(continued from previous post)

The "hidden" aspect of God's plan continued in the many prophetic "types" set forth in the scriptures. The history of the church is laid out in prophetic type from Genesis 22 to 24. Abraham is told to slay his "only son" and offer him as a burnt offering. Abraham intends to obey, and the very next morning he starts out with Isaac to the place that sacrifice will be offered. It takes three days to get there. During those three days, who would argue that Isaac wasn't as good as dead to Abraham already? And there was a lot more testing going on than just for Abraham. The servants were told when Abraham took his son up the mountain that "I and the lad will go yonder and worship, and WE will return to you. Well once Abraham is told not to slay his son and the ram is slain as a substitute, the text says that Abraham returned to his servants. What about Isaac? What must have been going through the minds of those servants when Abraham returned alone? Sarah was tested in all of this too. From what the text says, she never saw Isaac or Abraham again after they left to go to the mountain. Abraham and his servants went to Beersheba (22:19). The next time we see Isaac he is at Beer-la-ha-roi (24:62). When Sarah dies at Kirioth-Arba, Abraham has TO COME to mourn her. He was not there when she died. This is a prophetic type of Israel (Sarah) being cut off for not believing in their Messiah.
Chapter 24 has Abraham sending his chief servant to his old relatives (symbolic of the 'gentiles') to get a wife for his son. The name of the servant isn't mentioned here, but from other texts we know that it is Eliezer or "God is my helper". The same title of "helper" is given to the Holy Spirit in the Gospels. Eliezer comes with camels loaded with "gifts" for Rebekah. Rebekah rides on the camels (prophetic type of spiritual gifts) until she sees Isaac face to face, at which point she dismounts from her camel since it is no longer needed. Just like Paul said in 1 Corinthians 13, that the gifts are partial and are only necessary until we see Jesus face to face, at which point they will not be necessary and will be done away with.

There are many other places where bits and pieces of Jesus' life and ministry is prophesied in "types". The selling off of Joseph by his brothers and the binding of "Simeon" (symbolic of Israel's loss of the ability to "hear" the gospel), followed by Israel finally being forced to give up "Benjamin" ("Son of my right hand" - symbolic of the strength to rule and deal with enemies) so that he and his household don't die of famine.

Jonah spent three days and nights in the belly of the whale and had weeds wrapped around his head (Jonah 2:5, symbolic of the crown of thorns put on Jesus' head).

Anonymous said...

As for God being "one", if He says that He intends to put His Name in an Angel, and His Spirit is upon that One, I would be very careful about trying to separate the Name of God and His Spirit from such a One. Jesus was made up of the physical seed within Mary, which had been "built" by the very hands of God. Who was there to tell God just how much of Himself He could place in this Seed? The old testament is full of places where the text clearly shows TWO YHVH in the same passage. Sometimes they are distinct, sometimes not. One appears at times in physical form, One does not. The ancient Israelite scribes were aware of this and discussed it. Alan Segal wrote a book on the idea of "Two Powers in Heaven" and Dr. Michael Heiser developed the idea further. He has a website - where he discusses the passages involved and another one where he teaches on the idea of God ruling His creation through a "divine council" (, which is shown in several places in the old testament. God's "Second in charge" over this council is the second YHVH seen throughout the old testament.

Anonymous said...

look clearly every debate a Muslim has won why is that? because they think before they speak I am not being rude to Christianity clearly I respect every religion even though I am Muslim alhamdulilah

Anonymous said...

if you still are not convinced then just go listen to zakir naiks speeches on peace TV or on YouTube do you even know how much people became Muslim because of his speeches? you should check you would be surprised

Unknown said...

Actually no, Christians believed in Jesus' deity long before the council of Nicaea. .. It was a firm belief from the 1st century Christian.

Anonymous said...

look, Christians CAN debate Muslims using evidence from the bible, encyclicals and holy sites that Still exist today(e.g. Lourdes). Christians are strong fighters and many are killed every year at the hands of extreme Muslims. Please take this into account

Anonymous said...

JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD!!! If he wasn't, there would be no Christianity.
David is the son of Jesse(16 Samuel)
Jacob is the son of Isaac(Genesis 25)

Anonymous said...

there are over 2 billions christians in the world today whereas the number of the muslim population is 1.57 billion. who has the larger number?

Love the Earth said...

You are all wrong , theres no such thing as
God. It's just your faith you need to grow a brain and work it out , stop being sheep and following blindly , Nature rules all enjoy what's real , not what you imagine

Rhaz115 said...

For number one, you dont need to explain it all out. Its like youre telling me that the christian doesnt even have enough confidience to believe that their religion is the true religion.
Its normal, and what the hell is wrong with those if that religion is actually the true believe? You cant deny the truest truth. But unfortunately just god who know which believe is the truest. And Once He revealed it to you someday, youll never cant deny it. Dont get me wrong. Thats what i mean.

Love the Earth said...


Love the Earth said...

You FUCKEN religous fucks can't read you wouldn't know the truth if it bit UR ass figure it out GOD IS NOT REAL YOUVE BEEN SCAMMED by lies to control you are you really that dumb , it seems so fools

Love the Earth said...


The truth shall set you free said...

'...... Muhammad as a prophet, even though his name was not stated in the Bible.....' You just went against your own prophet and Quran (7:157, 61:6). It specifically states that Muhammad is named in the Bible. Therefore you must now admit the Quran is wrong. That throws the entire basis of Islam out. It can't be the perfect and eternal book.
No take backs!

Unknown said...

many muslims are saying that GOD has many sons and how JESUS is special.If I say one person as my righ hand it doesnot mean that I donot have my own right hand except that fellow.When GOD said so and so is my son,it is simultaniously said by jesus also as it was said by Triune GOD.To understand TRINITY one must be guided by the HOLY SPIRIT of GOD which even Mohmood doesnot know.They try to understand TRIUNE GOD by expecting human limitatations with HIM.Why u people go for physical meaning of son?When the word SON is used by TRIUNE GOD in the case of a man,it means, that person is that much responsible in GOD's house.In the case of JESUS the word son is not with poetic sence but to express he is directly from inner of GOD

Aisha said...

According to the Bible Islam is the religion of all prophets. According to the Bible Christianity is falsehood it teaches a woman gave birth to God. Christians believe Jesus and God are one which means when Mary gave birth to Jesus, she also gave birth to God how that even possible?. And the Bible states christians are followers of Paul not Jesus.

Aisha said...

Prophet Muhammad (saw) foretold in the Bible: Isaiah 29:12 Then the book will be given to the one who is illiterate, saying, "Please read this." And he will say, "I cannot read."
Quran author is God (Creator of the heavens and the earth) Allah ( our Creator says in His last and final book. Quran “Those who follow the Messenger, the Prophet who can neither read nor write (i.e. Muhammad) whom they find written with them in the Tawraat (Torah) (Deut, xviii 15) and the Injeel (Gospel) (John, xiv 16), — he commands them for Al-Ma‘roof (i.e. Islâmic Monotheism and all that Islam has ordained); and forbids them from Al-Munkar (i.e. disbelief, polytheism of all kinds, and all that Islam has forbidden); he allows them as lawful At‑Tayyibaat (i.e. all good and lawful as regards things, deeds, beliefs, persons and foods), and prohibits them as unlawful Al‑Khabaa’ith (i.e. all evil and unlawful as regards things, deeds, beliefs, persons and foods), he releases them from their heavy burdens (of Allaah’s Covenant with the children of Israel), and from the fetters (bindings) that were upon them. So those who believe in him (Muhammad), honour him, help him, and follow the light (the Qur’aan) which has been sent down with him, it is they who will be successful

[al-A’raaf 7:157]

Aisha said...

The real religion of Jesus is Islam.Jesus
" and he went a little farther and fell on his face and prayed,”
(Matthew 26:39) "then Moses and Aaron went away from the assaembly to the entrance of the tent and fell on their faces, "
(numbers 20:6)
Prophet MUHAMMAD (SAW) was commanded in the glorious Quran thus:
…Fall prostrate and draw near to Allah
Everyday millions of muslims prostrate (fall on their faces) in total submission to Allah the creator of all. As we can see from both Scriptures Islam is the religion of all prophets

Aisha said...

The Bible is corrupted: Killing of non believers : 1 Corinthians 16:22 , Leviticus 24: 13-16 , Deutronomy 17:12 & 17:2-5
B. Sexism : Leviticus 20:10
C. Slavery : 1Peter 2:18 , Leviticus 25:44-46 , Exodus 21:20-21 , Deutronomy 20:10-15
D. Denigration of handicapped people - Leviticus 21:17-23
E. cannibalism - 2 Kings -6:28-29
F. War - Rev 19:11 , 14
Didn't Jesus ask you to love your enemies , read - Rev 1:7 , Matthew 24:30 , 1 Corinthians 15:24 (All
Violence isn't it ? )
Also the bible has incestuous rape in 2 Kings 13:4 and Inbreeding in Gen 19 : 31-36

Aisha said...

The Bible is corrupted : God kills half a million people.
in 2 Chronicles 13:15-18, God helps the men of Judah kill 500,000 of their fellow Israelites.
God slaughters all Egyptian firstborn.
in Exodus 12:29, God the baby-killer slaughters all Egyptian firstborn children and cattle because their king was stubborn.Genocide after genocide after genocide.
in Joshua 6:20-21, God helps the Israelites destroy Jericho, killing “men and women, young and old, cattle, sheep and donkeys.” in Deuteronomy 2:32-35, God has the Israelites kill everyone in Heshbon, including children. in Deuteronomy 3:3-7, God has the Israelites do the same to the people of Bashan. in Numbers 31:7-18, the Israelites kill all the Midianites except for the virgins, whom they take as spoils of war. in 1 Samuel 15:1-9, God tells the Israelites to kill all the Amalekites – men, women, children, infants, and their cattle – for something the Amalekites’ ancestors had done 400 years earlier.God burns two cities to death.
in Genesis 19:24, God kills everyone in Sodom and Gomorrah with fire from the sky. Then God kills Lot’s wife for looking back at her burning home.

Aisha said...

TH Bible is corrupted: cannibalism ( eating of human flesh in the Bible) God threatens forced cannibalism.
in Leviticus 26:27-29 and Jeremiah 19:9, God threatens to punish the Israelites by making them eat their own children.

20. the coming slaughter.
According to Revelation 9:7-19, God’s got more evil coming. God will make horse-like locusts with human heads and scorpion tails, who torture people for 5 months. Then some angels will kill a third of the earth’s population. If he came today, that would be 2 billion people.
- If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, 21 she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you.
Deuteronomy 22: 20-21

Aisha said...

THere is no weak point of Islam, Islam is perfect, praise be to Allah. Quran “And the Word of your Lord has been fulfilled in truth and in justice”
[al-An’aam 6:115] “This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion”

[al-Maa'idah 5:3]

Aisha said...

Islam is the religion that prevents rape; it upholds the dignity and honor of women by commanding them to cover themselves. Women in Islam are not oppressed, but only the Christian women are oppressing themselves by dressing half-naked.Where did this ‘Church leader’ find the inspiration to rape a 12-year old girl? Read below VERSES FROM THE BIBLE:

Thus says the Lord: 'I will bring evil upon you out of your own house. I will take your wives [plural] while you live to see it, and will give them to your neighbor. He shall lie with your wives in broad daylight. You have done this deed in secret, but I will bring it about in the presence of all Israel, and with the sun looking down. Then David said to Nathan, "I have sinned against the Lord." Nathan answered David: "The Lord on his part has forgiven your sin: you shall not die. But since you have utterly spurned the Lord by this deed, the child born to you must surely die." (2 Samuel 12:11-14)

Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him. But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves. (Numbers 31:17-18)

And David sent and enquired after the woman. And one said, Is not this Bathsheba, the daughter of Eliam, the wife of Uriah the Hittite? And David sent messengers, and took her; and she came in unto him, and he lay with her; for she was purified from her uncleanness (her menstrual period): and she returned unto her house." (2 Samuel 11:2-4)

Aisha said...

VERSES FROM THE BIBLE: "And the king said unto her, What aileth thee? And she answered, This woman said unto me, Give thy son, that we may eat him to day, and we will eat my son to morrow. So we boiled my son, and did eat him: and I said unto her on the next day, Give thy son, that we may eat him: and she hath hid her son". (II Kings 6:28-29)

"Look, I am against you! - declares Yahweh Saboath- I shall lift your skirts as high as your face and show your nakedness to the nations, your shame to the kingdoms. I shall pelt you with filth." (Nahum 3:6, The New Jerusalem Bible)

"Therefore I will wail and howl, I will go stripped and naked: I will make a wailing like the dragons, and mourning as the owls." (Micah 1:8)

Then the LORD said, "Just as my servant Isaiah has gone stripped and barefoot for three years, as a sign and portent against Egypt and Cush, so the king of Assyria will lead away stripped and barefoot the Egyptian captives and Cushite exiles, young and old, with buttocks bared—to Egypt's shame. (Isaiah 20:3-5)

Aisha said...

Woe is me for my hurt! my wound is grievous: but I said, Truly this [is] a grief, and I must bear it. (Jeremiah 10:19) DOES GOD HAVE NOSTRILS?

There went up a smoke out of his nostrils, and fire out of his mouth devoured: coals were kindled by it. (2 Samuels 22:9). GOD IS A MURDERER?
And it came to pass, that at midnight the LORD smote all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh that sat on his throne unto the firstborn of the captive that [was] in the dungeon; and all the firstborn of cattle. (Exodus 12:29). Quran is the truth from the Creator of the heavens and the earth. But The Bible is corrupted

Aisha said...

The LORD said to me, "Go, show your love to your wife again, though she is loved by another and is an adulteress. Love her as the LORD loves the Israelites, though they turn to other gods and love the sacred raisin cakes." (Hosea 3:1)DOES GOD FORGET?!
How long O Lord? will you forget me forever. (Psalms 13:1). Hey christian how could trust the God of the Bible?. Any ways he Bible is not the "Word of God"; it contains sex literature and violence to the utmost extremes, incest, cannibalism. Yet the Holy Quran is absolutely pure and does not contain any dirty stories.

Aisha said...

Islam is the true religion and Muslims are the true Christians (followers of Jesus Christ) so please read the Scriptures with open mind then you would come to know that the Bible is corrupted book. Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father. So both of Lot's daughters became pregnant by their father. (Genesis 19:32-36)
What is the moral of this story? , Indeed the Quran is the word of God and Islam is the truth

Aisha said...

 Jesus fell on his face and prayed mathew 26:38).And that is excatly how Muhammad SAW prayed and the whole muslims pray like that. The christians don’t pray like that though. They have their own kind of worship. Who is really trying to imitate Jesus? Christians or muslims?
Je suis musulmane et fière de l'être .Je témoigne: Il n'y a de Dieu que Allah et Muhammad est son message

Aisha said...

There is no God but Allah and Muhammad (PBUH) is the Messenger of Allah. Christians believe that three different persons made up one god, not only is there no Bible for it, but it shows even lack of intelligence reasoning)

Aisha said...

Christian listen brothers and sister, muslims want to show you that we know Christianity more than your pastor,. Read your Bible in EX 17:13, EX 21:20-2, EX 21:20-2, LE 26:7-8 T, LE 26:29 , DT 28:53 , JE 19:9 , EZ 5:8-10 As a punishment, the Lord will cause people to eat the flesh of their own sons and daughters and fathers and friends.EZ 9:4-6 The Lord commands: "... slay old menoutright, young men and maidens, little children and women ...." there are lots more as we all know the Bible is corrupted book and if you still believe Christianity is peace then you choose evil.

Aisha said...

6. Surah Al-An'am (The Cattle)
In the Name of Allah, The Most Gracious, Most Merciful
1. All praises and thanks be to Allah, Who (Alone) created the heavens and the earth, and originated the darkness and the light, yet those who disbelieve hold others as equal with their Lord.

Anonymous said...

6. Surah Al-An'am (The Cattle)
In the Name of Allah, The Most Gracious, Most Merciful
5. Indeed, they rejected the truth (the Qur'an and Muhammad ) when it came to them, but there will come to them the news of that (the torment) which they used to mock at.

Aisha said...

Surah Al-Anbiyah' (The Prophets)
In the Name of Allah, The Most Gracious, Most Merciful
18. Nay, We fling (send down) the truth (this Qur'an) against the falsehood (disbelief), so it destroys it, and behold, it (falsehood) is vanished. And woe to you for that (lie) which you ascribe (to Us) (against Allah by uttering that Allah has a wife and a son)

Aisha said...

Surah Al-Anbiyah' (The Prophets)
In the Name of Allah, The Most Gracious, Most Merciful
25. And We did not send any Messenger before you (O Muhammad ) but We inspired him (saying): La ilaha illa Ana [none has the right to be worshipped but I (Allah)], so worship Me (Alone and none else)."
26. And they say: "The Most Beneficent (Allah) has begotten a son (or children)." Glory to Him! They [those whom they call children of Allah i.e. the angels, 'Iesa (Jesus) son of Maryam (Mary), 'Uzair (Ezra), etc.], are but honoured slaves.

Aisha said...

Surah Al-Anbiyah' (The Prophets)
In the Name of Allah, The Most Gracious, Most Merciful
45. Say (O Muhammad ): "I warn you only by the revelation (from Allah and not by the opinion of the religious scholars and others). But the deaf (who follow the religious scholars and others blindly) will not hear the call, (even) when they are warned [(i.e. one should follow only the Qur'an and the Sunnah (legal ways, orders, acts of worship, statements of Prophet Muhammad , as the Companions of the Prophet did)]

Anonymous said...

112. Surah Al-Ikhlaas

In the Name of Allah, The Most Gracious, Most Merciful1. Say (O Muhammad ()): "He is Allah, (the) One.
2. "Allah-us-Samad (The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, He neither eats nor drinks).3. "He begets not, nor was He begotten;

4. "And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him.

Aisha said...

112. Surah Al-Ikhlaas

In the Name of Allah, The Most Gracious, Most Merciful1. Say (O Muhammad ()): "He is Allah, (the) One.
2. "Allah-us-Samad (The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, He neither eats nor drinks).3. "He begets not, nor was He begotten;

4. "And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him.

Aisha said...

Surah Al-Baqarah (The Cow)
In the Name of Allah, The Most Gracious, Most Merciful
255. Allah! La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He), the Ever Living, the One Who sustains and protects all that exists. Neither slumber, nor sleep overtake Him. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and whatever is on earth. Who is he that can intercede with Him except with His Permission? He knows what happens to them (His creatures) in this world, and what will happen to them in the Hereafter . And they will never compass anything of His Knowledge except that which He wills. His Kursi extends over the heavens and the earth, and He feels no fatigue in guarding and preserving them. And He is the Most High, the Most Great. [This Verse 2:255 is called Ayat-ul-Kursi.]

Aisha said...

Surah Al-Baqarah (The Cow)
In the Name of Allah, The Most Gracious, Most Merciful
2. This is the Book (the Qur'an), whereof there is no doubt, a guidance to those who are Al-Muttaqun [the pious and righteous persons who fear Allah much (abstain from all kinds of sins and evil deeds which He has forbidden) and love Allah much (perform all kinds of good deeds which He has ordained)].

Aisha said...

Islam declares that the Bible is corrupted and full of falsehood. Deuteronomy 4:2 clearly declares that the Bible is corrupt.

Aisha said...

Surah Al-Baqarah (The Cow)
In the Name of Allah, The Most Gracious, Most Merciful
25. And give glad tidings to those who believe and do righteous good deeds, that for them will be Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise). Every time they will be provided with a fruit therefrom, they will say: "This is what we were provided with before," and they will be given things in resemblance (i.e. in the same form but different in taste) and they shall have therein Azwajun Mutahharatun (purified mates or wives), (having no menses, stools, urine, etc.) and they will abide therein forever.

whatis up said...

to Aisha why makes you think Islam is perfect and it is the religion of all prophets?

Aisha said...

to whatis up, Islam is the religion of all prophets because: " and he went a little farther and fell on his face and prayed,” (Matthew 26:39)ABRAHAM "And Abram fell on his face,and Joshua fell on his face to the earth and did worship, "(Joshua 5:14)
MUHAMMAD (SAW) was commanded in the glorious Quran thus:
…Fall prostrate and draw near to Allah
From the above it is very clear that all the prophets mentioned are muslims. Islam is the Religion of all the prophets. And Islam is perfect because the Creator of the heavens and the earth says in His last an final book(Quran)
Quran“This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion”

[al-Maa'idah 5:3]

Anonymous said...

Watch Shabir Yusuf or Shabir Ally if u think Muslims are closed fact you'll quickly realise that Christians and Atheists are the closed ones.

PrEtEnDeR said...

Haha i really feel so funny....what islam the lame or quran the devil book says....but its really so amazing to see muslims coming up even to argue *not discuss* about bible. Lets look at the source of Allah, who told the world that there is Allah - Muhmad..who is Muhmad the prophet - who never gave any prophecy, who was the only witness of Allah's magic "the flying donkey". If you read Muhmad history he was not consistent with Allah throughout and kept making allah and his voice as per his needs. The need to marry a 6 old girl and rape her, the need to kill thousand of men and then rape their wives. The need to kill others who did not believed in Allah - were the word of allah, he destroyed idols of other religion..but can any muslim deny they pray a black stone in kaba...that black stone is like a vagina and they kiss it. Muhamd was poisoned by a Jew woman named Mariam, whose family was killed by Muhmad army, Muhmad raped her on number of occassions and according to her in the text, when Muhmad was dying he asked her why did you pison me - she said that to find if you are a true prophet and he died and was not reborn...this is the base of Islam and Allah and these muslims of today even have the audacity to say "islam is good" women are like sex slaves..throughout the world they were burqa and try to show how they hide their body and believe sex is devil but in reality they are fucked by their husband(s), his brothers, father-in-law and before marriage they are screwed by their cousin brothers that's one of the reason they grow like piglets and incase if there is something like we are looking at Syria, then they are further fucked as booty and then sold for a pack of cigarette or $10. Without Islam the world certainly will be a better place. Allah is a creation of an evil man Muhmad and all the muslims are evil to their core and this is what is taught in Islam - how to be eveil..the biggest followers are those who will fight for allah - means Jihad and rest are just suckers in islam, even those who are discussing islam here are not true muslims. Those who know the reality of Islam knows this "islam means submission" how can you submit yourself to Allah when God says come and seek the truth it will set your soul free...but in Islam you submit yourself, your can your soul be free.. Muslims as a matter of fact are nice human being but they are possessed by a devil called Islam. you have to kick them thousand times to bring their soul back. May Jesus give them peace and fuck Allah and Islam, Quran is dirty book that tells to rape and kill people in the name of Allah. And if muslims find this ok then thats the reason why i said they are zombies*, morality and ethics is something that muslims should not talk about as Allah does not posses it how can these virus and parasites can. The only way for muslims to lead a free life a life where you don't have to submit but to challenge, where they don't have to fear of their head being chopped but held high, where they don't have to pray 5 times a day to the devil but once in a week and the way of life that everyone agrees..the development, the contribution made to the society we see is only becasue of Jesus. What did muslims give to the society - what did christians give to the society - whoever gave more to the society it simple means that their God is more giving and forgiving. Becasue that is the source of inspiration and that is the source that drives the world and not mere words like allah hu akbar aka god is great then rape white women and turn their churches into mosque becasue that is what Islam teaches to these rotten sould. Any one can feel free to comment and i will reply.

Unknown said...

Oh god idiots.... well as you have said that Muslims are determined that they are right even before the debate is because we already believe in Christianity. we believe in Christ. we believe in the bible. but the differences we have is that we say Christ is the messenger of god along with Muhammad. they both are of equal respect and importance to us. Christians say that he is the son of god. and we say this is absurd. and we also believe in the bible but this fact cannot be denied nor by the Christians. that the bible content's meaning has been altered. what we say is that apart fro what Christianity says is that Muhammad is the last messenger o god and that Quran is the final book. now the point of least the main is that Christians claim Jesus as the son of god. and we claim him as a messenger of god. now you say that we or Muslim debaters are determined before the debate even starts. well is it not impossible to believe first that a son of god can be even killed by man? and then believe that god let this happen? and if the debating answer is that because of love. then that can rule out the second condition. but if I'm not mistaken if there is a son of god then nausibillah there must be a mother of god as well? and to kill a god by merely just hanging him? and we also believe one more thing that Jesus was not killed. god had taken him back to the skies. and he will return to this world when the day of resurrection will be near. saying this that muslims are determined and have a closed mind.....? I mean seriously?? you are saying that one will not lose until he accepts his defeat? if someone is right and you will just say he does not accept that they are wrong will lead nowhere. a debates purpose is to mold the wrong ones belief or else the one's who has less knowledge. so stop seing debates if you just want to see your side's representative and the opponent doodle in wonder and accept that he is wrong. and p.s I have seen many debates where muslims have given up as well. #peaceout #dontreallycareifyoudidntlikewhatisaid may god lead you to whichever the correct path is. Islam or Christianity

Unknown said...

Enter your comment...satan give the koran to muhammad from his toilet paper.

John said...

Jesus Christ never did any sexual immorality in his entire life so u can't call him a gay.
But mohammed had sex wid a nine year old girl.
Allowed only 4 wives but he himself had 11.
Licked the tongue or lips of a boy.
Married the wife of his adopted son
All this are the actions of a pervert man.

aisha said...

The Quran is the holy book which Muslims recite and turn to for guidance in all aspects of their lives. Its verses have remained intact since their original revelation by God in the 7th century. This brochure explains the divine origin of the Quran by elaborating upon its preservation, authenticity and miracles. It also discusses the Quranic message which has universal appeal and is relevant for all times.

The Quran is the last testament in a series of divine revelations from God (Allah in Arabic). It consists of the unaltered and direct words of God, which were revealed through the Angel Gabriel to Muhammadp, the final prophet of Islam, more than 1400 years ago. Islam is a continuation of the message received by previous prophets, such as Noah, Abraham, David, Moses and Jesus, peace be upon them all. Therefore, the Quran maintains the pure teachings of previous revelations, including the Torah and the Gospel. The Quran describes that all the prophets taught people to believe in the One God, the Creator

aisha said...

Your Bible is corrupted and Christianity is falsehood but Christians are so deluded and blind and deaf. The Bible has been so changed and translated and mistranslated over time that it can’t be trusted. Didn’t you play the telephone game when you were a kid? Whatever the first person whispered to the second person, is going to be very different from what the last person hears. Stop acting as if you have all the answers–your Bible is an corrupted book . IT allows cannibalism, incest, murders, rape ect..

aisha said...

Why do Christians believe that God can become human?

***Firstly, if God can become human then He will be seems an image but God directly says He is not an idol or image:

"You shall no other gods before me" [Exodus 20:3]

"You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or no the earth beneath or in the waters below" [Exodus 20:4]

"You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, The Lord ur God, am a Jealous God.." [Exodus 20:5]

"Do not make idols or SET UP AN IMAGE..I am the LORD your God." [Leviticus, 26:1]

Yet, Christians (Catholics and Non-catholics) Dare to make images and portraits of God Almighty Himse. The point is christian are followers of Paul Not Jesus which means they are followers of Satan

aisha said...

Bible clearly says God cannot become human:

"God is not a man, that he should lie, nor a son of man, that he should chang his mind, Does he speak and then not act? Does he promise and not fulfill?" [Numbers 23:19]

"...For i am God, and not a man-..." [Hosea 11:9]

"The strength of Israel will not lie nor repent: FOR HE(GOD) IS NOT A MAN, THAT HE SHOULD REPENT." [1 samuel, 15:29]

Christianity is a man made religion.

Unknown said...

Guys, I would like to clear a misconception about Hazraat Aisha plz...
In Arab at that time there was no concept of engagement and hence people directly married BUT did not lived as husband and wife both were mature.
So kindly acknowledge that when Holy Prophet (S.A.W) married Hazraat Aisha was nine but did not lived with him until she was a teen or was matured.

Anonymous said...

It's not written in Quran that Bible mentions it.
But, to be more specific, Jesus said that.
"And the Jesus said ' I was sent to confirm the law which came before me and to give you glad tidings of a messenger to come after me whose name shall be Ahmed.'"
As for his wife Hazraat Aisha, I have written above.

Unknown said...

I can't believe that u can present your view without reading Quran or life of Holy Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) and reach a conclusion by reading something written by illetrates.

Anonymous said...

Kindly refresh your knowledge on who is killing who.....And don't forget Syria, Bosnia,Iraq,Darfur, Kashmir, Palestine etc.

Unknown said...

astonishing it is that on a truly opposing topic against Muslims, there are more Muslims fighting than you would expect to find on a page like this. with a completely one sided topic. and Aisha you are on fire. how did you get the time to even write this long?

adulrahman philips. said...

christians need to differentiate the word LORD from GOD.I AGREE Jesus is lord,that is he has authority. and this authority(lordship) to heal the sick,give sight to the blind,forgive sins.came from God the almighty,whom we all should worship.
i LOVE JESUS BECAUSE AM A MUSLIM.We love all prophets of the almighty.

Anonymous said...

Bible is written in many ways no one know the true one

Kirby said...

John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." God - Theos both times.

John 1:4-5 "In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."

Muhammad had his revelation in the darkness of a cave - no light. Muhammad did not "comprehend" the Light because he was of the dark. His experience almost drove him mad and he tried several times to commit suicide.

John 1:14 "And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth."

So, that Word as well as being God, was also the "Light". "Begotten" of the Father - Yaweh. By the power of the Holy Spirit and by the will of the Father, the Word poured Himself into the egg of a female of His own creation. Herein lies the true power of a God who has ultimate control of His own creation.
Further, that God had such love (a word that never appears in the Quran) that He sent this Son (Word/Light) out of that love to bridge the gap of man's imperfection created between himself and God. Such s the nature of the true God who truly loves the highest pinnacle of His creation so much so that He sent His only begotten Son to pay the price of entry into eternal paradise.
What kind of god requires his created to die for him as a prerequisite for paradise? What kind of god commands his followers to practice lying (taqiyya)?

John 8:44 "You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it."

2John 1:7 "For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist."

What kind of god and his theology is set so high that an eternity of rutting like an animal with self regenerating virgins is its biggest draw and the most promoted characteristic of his paradise?

The Christian God promotes spiritual growth in moral character and integrity with love for one's fellow man and God as the highest of the high.
No human can perfectly attain to this goal of perfection in this life, but Christ's blood sacrifice made us prefect before the Father. No human was ever capable or could ever be capable of such a perfect state that He could then become a qualified sacrifice for all. Only God (Jesus Christ) Himself could attain this goal.

What is so holy about shouting "Allahu Akbar" that it then qualifies a Muslim as worthy of paradise and to judge his fellow man - the slaughter, rape, decapitations, and enslavements practiced in all Muslim countries? "All have sinned" - ALL.

Kirby said...

Let me further comment. The Muslim Jesus is Isa a wholly different person and certainly not the God/man of Christianity.
The Muslims believe that Isa/Jesus will come back at the end and slaughter all "Readers of the Book" - Biblical Christians. There is no peace as Islam sees it until every last infidel has been thoroughly and deeply subjected, those that are allowed to survive at all, that is.
There has been very little difference in the various translations of the Bible - very minuscule. The efforts are always to search out and make it even more pure. Biblically, man has never changed and inevitably slides down the scale of our Creator's demands in scripture. Today, there are definite attempts to absolutely desecrate, corrupt, and change every aspect of those scriptures so as to make being a godly person easier, more socially acceptable, and far less demanding.
The findings in the Judean Desert in the Qumran Caves absolutely prove the infallibility of Old Testament scriptures and at the same time prove that Muslims are the ones that have rewritten and heavily corrupted scriptures to suit their sensibilities and ulterior motives. The entire book of Isaiah, for one, was found and not one thing at all was found to differ from today's translations. Other books and fragments of still others were found.
Isaiah especially is vastly significant as this prophet recorded far more than just future judgments on Israel. Isaiah is rife with predictions of the coming Messiah and Savior and His definitive nature and all relevant salvation teachings. Additionally, many verses of hope and comfort are all throughout this book.
Culture now demands that truth be corrupted so as not to shine the deserved bad light on Islam. President Obama last year demanded that the European press knuckle under his authority and not report or comment on Muslim terrorist outbreaks in any way right after the attacks in France.
This is what has happened here in the US. The media and press here in the US has been subdued and bowed to the demands of societal and Muslim pressures including that one Muslim who used to occupy and desecrate the White House office. Essentially, our media, most of our educational system, and all other means of communication have been dhimmided.
Throughout all of Islam's history, forcing and enforcing dhimmi status has been ruthless and brutal. Its ultimate goal is to utterly wipe out all infidels wherever Sharia Law dominates. This tactic has been immensely successful as numbers of infidels in Muslim nations plummet into either total non-existence or into such a state of dominance that their own beliefs, cultures, and ways of life are eradicated.
Western education has been increasingly forced into submission to erase the truths of Islam's history. What is taught in our schools today is a lie (taqiyya - Quran and Muhammad's COMMAND to lie to infidels). We are told it is an offense to tell the truth. How whacked can that be? Jesus said of Himself, that He was the Truth. Islam commands that Muslims lie. Instruct me here - what does the Bible say about "who" the father of lies is?

Abdulhafeez said...

ﺑِﺴْﻢِ ﺍﻟﻠَّﻪِ ﺍﻟﺮَّﺣْﻤَﻦِ ﺍﻟﺮَّﺣِﻴﻢ
("In the name of
God, the Most Gracious, the most Merciful").
assalamu aliakum my Muslim brothers and also the Muslim to be. Allah created the universe and everything too. In his glorious book the holy Qur'an he order humanity to follow prophet the most beloved prophet ( I swear currently in my heart I love nobody over him.May Allah bless me with a chance to be his neighbour in heaven ameen). But the problem is that non Muslims don't believe in the Qur'an so they don't believe that the Allah Muslims are worshipping is the creator of the universe talk less of obeying Him. in our day to day life if someone claims something he provide proof it is his, It happens even in courts all over the world. similarly Allah created the universe and he also provide proofs( yah I mean proofs not one but many) that He created the universe and by so humans should obey Him. with this been said I challenge all non Muslims from all religion to deny the scientific fact in the holy Qur'an. not even the Qur'an only and also the ahadith of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. If you are able to do so or you believe that Allah is the creator and want to take the conversation to the next level email me at Thank you

Anonymous said...

Its actually really easy to prove muslims are not really gods people, you look at the islamic world and its a mass of bloodshed disagreement terrorism death, then you look at the Christian lands that are happy loving and peaceful and you can see who god has chosen to bless on earth 'god in all gods wisdom has chosen this' so for some muslims to attack christians they are making a big mistake there only chance is to convert, like is halpening in Germany at the present time, you could argue your reward is after death but this is just an excuse 'god will give the just peaceful societys as a reward for choosing the correct path.

Kirby said...

abdulhafeeazn1 - Your claim to "love" Allah is strange to Islam as the word "love" exists nowhere in the Quran. Allah makes no claim to love you or any other Muslim. The Bible uses the word thousands of times as opposed to the Quran which talks incessantly of slaughter, whose prophet justifies rape, the beheading of non-Muslims, and the enslavement of tens of millions. The latter was practiced to some extent worldwide, but not to even a minuscule fraction of the extent that Islam practiced it. The Muslims' use of slavery was extensively for sex - little girls, boys, women, or anything on two legs which still applies today.
In the world of scholarship, the Muslim nations are vastly under represented in Nobel prize winnings where even the Jewish community - far smaller numerically than the Muslim communities, greatly exceeds the Muslim.
Then there are the claims for peace which in the Muslim world exist only when Islam dominates over a people. Only with Muslim domination does peace exist by any stretch of the imagination. Muslims are famous for torturing the definitions of terminology so as to make it sound as if Muslims and the non-Muslims are on the same page and believe in the same thing. Islam believes in lie, deception, and massive distortion of the truth. Anything that justifies or advances Islam is perfectly ok with Muslims. ANYTHING.
The Biblical God claims not only to be our Creator but to love His creation - for which he sacrificed His only begotten Son. This Son, Jesus, voluntarily laid down His life to pay for the sin which exists in every man and woman. Try and deny your own sin and see how far you get. Will you lie about that also? The Christian God commands obedience but not at the point of a gun. He is perfectly holy something Allah stakes no claim to. The one and true God cannot abide with the unholy so bought holiness Himself for those who follow Him.
Jesus talked constantly of self sacrifice, loving ones fellow man - including his enemy, things of honor and integrity. Muslim behavior for 14 centuries exemplifies their prophet, Quran, and god - rape, slaughter, enslavement, rampant destruction, theft, beheadings, etc. FOURTEEN CENTURIES and now you attempt to lie about it all while bragging about it among your own including your children.
Majority numbers have nothing to do with proving a religion other than the easy way of serving oneself finds many adherents especially at the point of a gun or sword. Jesus said the way was narrow and few would find it. Anything of value requires price and a heavy sifting process. The way of Islam says go with your gonads, your rage, and your hatred.

Unknown said...

I hope anyone could read this. I have so much problem dealing with muslims in terms of fair and intelligent debate. They most presents arguments that does not actually makes any sense. But they look so effective because they have a handful of techniques. They tend to overrun you with machinegun tactics, then landslide, and even tsunami. In quoting the Bible, they do cherry picking, and in providing kuranic verses are inconsistent. if you really are a smart Christian, you would probably notice it.

Also here is the fact. at the start they would sound to be smart that later on they would eventually contradict to what they are saying. They constantly tend to contradict themselves.... and oh my... they actually makes no sense at all.

I am not sure what punishment it would come to them if they lose any debate...

but for us Christians... Jesus Christ taught us to win souls and not arguments.

HajiSaif said...

Christ was not a Christian! He submitted his will to Allaha. He prayed, fasted and was tempted by Satan, according to the Bible. He claimed to be the Messiah and his people knew him as a prophet. He spoke Aramaic not Greek as evidenced again in the Bible. Christ taught the One God of Abraham and Moses, peace be upon them. So there seems to be an issue with the so-called religion promoted by those who call themselves Christians or worshipers of Christ! Christ worshiped Allaha and Christians worship Christ! Christ was and is a Muslim! He never did worship himself nor his mother Mary, peace be upon her, as a deity! The question is, Why do Christians insist on disobeying Christ, the ten commandments and G-d Almighty by inventing a man-god and a bird-god?
If Christ paid the price on Calvary, who did he pay it to, the one who has the power to punish us all?
If he was G-d at the point of death on the cross, who died for our sins as G-d does not die?
There were two human beings that died and was resurrected as miracle from Almighty G-d by Christ in the Bible, Lazarus and Tabitha. They are not divine nor gods. So being raised from the dead does not qualify you to become a god or the G-d!
What group of people believed in the concept of G-d as father and son as one god? That the son of god was the Alpha and Omega, the liberator and savior of mankind? Who called G-d Dios and believed that G-d could take the form of man and animals or incarnation? Who believed that this father god could assume an incarnation and beget children with human females? IT WAS THE PAGAN GREEKS! The descendants of the pagan Greeks that polluted the Temple in Jerusalem years before Christ with the pagan idol Zeus or Dios and sacrificed hogs to their pagan father god while enjoying temple prostitution! They forced the Jews to parade in the cult of Dionysus, the son of Zeus singing the phallic chant and worshiping the father and son as one god! Evidence? Douay (Catholic) Bible, Maccabees 1 and 2!
Till today, you white Christians brag about Europe and European culture and name yourselves after the consort of Zeus, Europa! Europa, who had sex with Zeus when he incarnated into a white bull! Europa famous for screwing a bull! Not just once as she was raped by Zeus, but many times and had children from this bestial union! Now that is the real European Union as they have a statue of Europa and the bull Zeus outside of the European Union Building! With all your Christianity, you fail to remove this blasphemy from your culture as the Bible condemns bestiality in the most strongest and direct terms! Talk about Al Islam and Muhammad, peace be upon him negatively all you like, you, the Gog and Magog, worship your skin color in the form of a white Jesus instead of Almighty G-d and for that sin of idolatry, of white supremacy you have condemned your soul to eternal punishment! There is still time, submit to Allah and join Christ as a Muslim!

HajiSaif said...

Jesus was not the Messiah's name! Even in the Bibles in Old English before 1611, the name used was Iesus as there is no "J" in the ancient script! Isa or Iesus! Is there an history to the name Iesus? Why, yes there is! Iesus, who changed his name to Iásōn was responsible for the corruption of the Temple at Jerusalem, the invasion by the pagan Greek king Antiochus IV Epiphanes and the reason for the Maccabean Revolt! The Quran has rendered the proper name for the Messiah as Isa, peace be upon him, pronounced in Aramaic or Arabic sounds similar.
The name the Messiah used for G-d Almighty was Allaha! That's right man-god worshipping Christians, Christ prayed to Allaha and taught his people to do the same. There is not my god, your god, a Christian god, a Buddhist god or goddesses, there is only One G-d, the Creator of the seen and unseen!
Christians have an issue with the final message from the Almighty that includes any references to warfare and killing. Just remember what happen to the Jews by the pagan Greeks and Romans! How the Romans killed the early monotheistic believers in the message of Christ, peace be upon him. The Roman killed the clergy, raped the women, fed Christians to the lions and other wild beasts for entertainment in the Coliseum. I saw how grown Christian men cried in the theater when the actor portraying Christ in Mel Gibson's movie The Passion was beat and the flesh ripped off his body by Cat'o Nine tails whip used by the sadistic Roman torturers. With his precious blood and flesh bits flying, I could see and hear grown men boohooing, real tears streaming down their wet faces and flinching with every stroke! Each one I dare say would relish a chance to pickup a weapon and stop this inhumane tragedy! Almighty G-d witnessed what happened to His people over the centuries by the wicked heathens of this world. So when the final message to mankind was revealed, the military component was included so that the pious knew that there was a difference between killing and murder, between slaughtering the pagan armies bent on killing the innocent and religious and non-combatants who just want to live in peace. When the so-called Christian Roman armies meet the Muslim forces on the battlefield, they thought these were just another religious group like the Jews or the Christians they had dealt with in the past. No big deal, mess with the best, die like the rest! Until the battle raged and the Romans got their asses kicked! When the Muslims became worldly and some deviated from the teachings of Islam, Allah allowed them to suffer because of their disobedience and weakness. Nevertheless, under pious leadership following the methodology of the Prophet, divine justice must and will be restored. What we see today from western funded and renegade groups who kill innocents and destroy themselves have nothing to do with Islamic teachings and the pagans who support them know that! They are used to insult Islam and as props to be used when discussing self defense of the Muslim Umma or Community! When Christ returns, he will pray in line with his Muslim brothers behind Imam Mahdi (AS)! Then those who claim to love Christ will have a choice, submit to Allah and join Christ as a Muslim or remain lost to their own desires and whims! G-d supremacy over white supremacy, every time and place!
From Dionysus to Jesus, Exposing Christianity's man-god!

Unknown said... only a foolish man worships muslim Christian or catholic go to my google u will find truth . I am much like paul

Kirby said...

It doesn't take a Muslim long to enter the practice of taqiyya (lying) - their word not mine. To say that Jesus worshiped Allah is the first of many lies. Muhammad borrowed the name of a local moon god, Allah, as a label for the "deity" that had visited him more than once in a cave (in the dark). This demon nearly drove the Muslim "prophet" mad and he tried several times to commit suicide.
Why would Jesus worship a moon god?
When the Biblical God enters into the presence of a human, take note - it's almost always in the light. Muhammad's encounters were always in the gloomy and confining depths of a cave.
It's common knowledge that among other languages, Jesus spoke Aramaic. Today, in France, Christians speak French, in Germany - German and so on. The language depends on the prevailing tongue the Christians live in. It's called "assimilating" something the Muslim rank and file steadfastly refuse to do. However, here in the US many Muslims speak English. So what?
As is standard with Muslim scholarship, it makes generous use of deception and often leaves out important details. For example, the Arabic for Jesus is lesus, but that originally came from the Hebrew Yeshua. Our Muslim above didn't say anything about this did he? His deceit is to lead the unlearned to believe that the correct spelling of the Messiah/Jesus was originated from Arabic instead of Hebrew. lesus is merely another translation into one of countless languages. Distortion, deceit, lie and corruption describe the way of Islam. The Quran commands their faithful to lie to the infidel.
Even saying Jesus was responsible for the "corruption" of the Jerusalem temple is deceptive. The truth is always offensive to a liar and/or thug which depicts the Romans as well as Muslims to a "T". Jesus didn't "corrupt" the temple. The Hebrews had already done that having desecrated God's intents and purposes of the ceremonies God had commanded the Hebrews to practice there. As a member of the God head, Jesus would "tear this temple down" through the Roman army in 70 A.D. That says nothing about His "corrupting" it.
Biblically, Jesus had many labels/names depending on which aspect of His many God attributes is being referred to. Emmanuel which means "God with us" speaks volumes of who Jesus was and to that which the Muslims deny - that Jesus was not only a many, but God as well. There are numerous verses that speak to Jesus divinity including the first two verses of the Gospel of John and then on through verse 14 where the "Word" who was with God and was God, "Became flesh and made His dwelling with us".
The Muslims a few others go catatonic over the fact of Christians insistence that God is "one" though made up of three persons. When I refer to the family next door the term for this group is singular but clearly refers to more than one person. It gets complex, but what would you expect from the One who created all things in the universe including all living things?
Back to Jesus, the Muslim Jesus/Isa is radically different from the Christian one. They insist on His being a prophet - a great one, but that He never died on a cross, rose from the dead, and thereby bought salvation for all who believe in Him. As was barely perceptible from our resident Muslim above, their Isa (Jesus) will return and the will slaughter all Christians. They practically wipe out the entire NT with this belief and, much of the OT which prophesied of Jesus coming as well as His purpose - to bring salvation not only to the Jews, but the Gentiles as well.

Kirby said...

Christ means Messiah, the anointed one chose by God to be king over all humanity. That HajiSaif would use the term, is again indicative of the corruptive habit the Muslim world has over truth. Remember, Jesus claimed to be the Truth, the living embodiment of truth. He said nothing of being only the theological or Biblical truth. That would have been confining. He was the God of all truth period.
Another thought, what is so difficult to imagine of a Creator/God who created all living things (from the microscopic to the whale) being all powerful, and unrestrained by physical dimensions being able to - of His own volition, pour Himself into a human egg in place of the usual "dollop" of life from the Father?? And then to be born into the human realm ("became flesh and made His dwelling among us") as both human (having taken on a physical cloak) and God, the latter being the nature of Him who originated as "with God" and "was God"? All the quoted material is from the first two verses of the Gospel of John.
Hebrews 1:5 For to which of the angels did He ever say, "YOU ARE MY SON, TODAY I HAVE BEGOTTEN YOU"? And again, "I WILL BE A FATHER TO HIM AND HE SHALL BE A SON TO ME"?

Feel free to read these two verses throughout their context in the book of Hebrews.
HajiSaif takes great license in saying the Christian claim is that God the Father produced "children" - plural, via human females - again, plural. Also, that God did this via assuming an incarnation? That of course would be representative of typical Muslim thinking, but God assumed nothing of a carnal nature. The Word of God poured Himself into a human egg obeying the will of the Father and via the power of the Spirit of God, but of course a Muslim would assume the carnal and additionally that God was sleeping around with a myriad of human females.
Pretty deceitful huh!
Take a look:
John 3:16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His ONLY begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life."
Lastly, your thinking about Muslim versus Christian/Roman battle conquests is just a tad askew. For one, the Christians didn't fight much of the battles during the Crusades. You're confusing them for the Roman Catholic Vatican which wasn't any less ruthless and depraved than the Muslim hordes who attacked all of the Near East, Middle East, Northern Africa, and Europe. The Vatican was actually responsible for the slaughter of millions of Christians. Catholicism greatly corrupted Christianity and is no representative of it.
Funny how you can't make up your mind whether you are about peace or to brag about Muslim conquests which were some of the most depraved of any conquering armies in all of human history. The major impetus behind Muslim conquest was the capture of sex slaves and the taking of booty - other peoples' possessions.

victoria said...

Christianity VS Islam: Which one is true?

Islam is the true because Islam Islam is the religion of all prophets even the Bible is backing up the Quran. And the Prophethood of the Prophet Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) is abundant and can hardly be enumerated. This evidence is sufficient to convince any wise and fair-minded person who is impartially and sincerely seeking the truth.every human is born with an inherent inclination towards Islam, and any deviation from Islam is undoubtedly a departure from sound human nature.And worshipping a man(Jesus) was never the teachings of any prophet. This is something that is quite clear and apparent to anyone who reflects and ponders.

And Christianity is falsehood because it is not the religion of all prophets even the Bible is against it. And it teaches a woman gave birth to God who that is even possible?. tree gods in one and a woman who gave birth to God. And the Bible is corrupted, it allow cannibalism, incest, human sacrifices, and the god of theT corrupted bible sleeps , take rest like human and all that is the Bible. This is something that is quite clear and apparent to anyone who reflects and ponders that indeed Christianity is fasehood

victtoria said...

Christianity VS Islam: Which one is true?

Islam is the true because Islam Islam is the religion of all prophets even the Bible is backing up the Quran. And the Prophethood of the Prophet Muhammad (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) is abundant and can hardly be enumerated. This evidence is sufficient to convince any wise and fair-minded person who is impartially and sincerely seeking the truth.every human is born with an inherent inclination towards Islam, and any deviation from Islam is undoubtedly a departure from sound human nature.And worshipping a man(Jesus) was never the teachings of any prophet. This is something that is quite clear and apparent to anyone who reflects and ponders.

And Christianity is falsehood because it is not the religion of all prophets even the Bible is against it. And it teaches a woman gave birth to God who that is even possible?. tree gods in one and a woman who gave birth to God. And the Bible is corrupted, it allow cannibalism, incest, human sacrifices, and the god of theT corrupted bible sleeps , take rest like human and all that is the Bible. This is something that is quite clear and apparent to anyone who reflects and ponders that indeed Christianity is falsehood

Unknown said...

Actually John wrote that and it's not even a quote from Jesus (as).

What were you saying about Muslims not knowing what they are doing or saying? Coming from someone who presents the words of John that are not quotes, as quotes of Jesus (as) seems rather to prove YOU don't have a clue about YOUR scripture.

Forgive anyone who can't talk you seriously, they have good reasons.

Unknown said...

Muslims win debates against Christians because Christians do not get their core theology, Trinity, from the Bible but the Nicene Creed and so have no possibility of supporting the lie that the New Testament says Jesus(as) "God."

It calls him a particular aspect of God, His Word, because that's how he was created and that's what he speaks. He does the "will of the Father (God) 100 percent and thus is not equal in authority or in any way at all.
. If Christians want to win a debate with Muslims they need to be admit they are in pagan religion with a monotheistic cloak and we will no longer be able to criticize your idolatry of the Messiah by using your own scripture. You will have admitted the truth and can join the rest of the pagan world stop fronting as monotheism and get on with your lives.

Until then we have only one question to ask that is necessary to prove that you don't practice the religion Jesus (as) did but the religion invented by Paul and pagan Rome.

When, exactly, did Jesus say "I am God."

I know it's effective because Christians fanatics like to claim that Muslims are being trained to ask this question, because, you know, we never could have deduced that without training, lol.

The reason why they hate the question and the fact that we ask it is because no one has ever overcome it in a debate with the Bible at hand, I've seen many attempts, all descend into gibberish, rants and condemnations.

Without ever answering the question.

Unknown said...

Just wanted to say that it was actually the Bible that lead me to Islam, by the Mercy of Allah, after realizing that Paul wasn't friends with the Apostles and insults them often I could no longer belong to such a religion. His theology is the opposite of the Gospels and he actually admitted he was not taught it. He called it "His Gospel."

Which is mostly what Christianity is. Certainly not the religion of the Nazarenes who were actually declared heretics by Rome.

And the fake attitudes of Christians, who seem nice at first, until they start talking about other people's religions including other Christians, and they all, thousands of them, believe that they are the restorers of the "True Gospel" while they use the exact same Gospel and just want to be special.

Ask me who the true Muslims are and I will tell you, anyone who does the Will of the One and Only God and worships no other. In Islamic philosophy you can be a muslim without being a Muslim, as it can be an adjective, a Muslim is a noun, Muslim is an adjective.

Unknown said...

Pure gold.

If a Christian wants to give you a hard time about that just read the beginning of the book of Matthew where Gabriel tells them not to have sex until AFTER the Messiah (as) was born, meaning according to the Bible they had permission and also Mary has sons, plural, in the Bible.

And since Ahadith is oral traditions I will cite the Christian tradition that Mary was 12 when married to Joseph.

It works every time because Christians do not bother learning about their religion, being "saved by faith, not works of Law(Torah)".

Why bother? Their "human sacrifice" based beliefs and symbolic cannibalism are all they need to go to Heaven, they look down on people who believe good works are necessary. "Works based theology" they call it, apparently having little respect for their Messiah (as) or his teach about obeying the Commandments and doing good works.

Unknown said...

If you think answering Islam is not run by some of the most pathetic liars in the world, check out answering christianity, the Muslim website which has a clear and logical refutation for every lie on said propaganda site.

In effect, answering christianity is counter propaganda and none of the people at that site are stupid enough to debate Zakir Nike in public.

They will do it when he is not around, on the internet, so they can't be refunded and embarrassed.

Seriously, Islamophobes does not describe the people at answering Islam, because they are not afraid of Islam, they are afraid of being correctly analyzed and publicly exposed BY ISLAM.

Which they have been on the internet. If there are any Christians who have ever successfully debated an Ahmad Deedat or Naik, you go ahead and send me the link.

I guarantee if you can find it, it won't be anyone from answering Islam, they are just liars with internet access who hate Muslims.

victoria said...

If you think answering Islam is not run by some of the most pathetic liars in the world?

Islam means the active submission to the one God. It is strictly a monotheistic religion since it restricts worship to the one supreme Lord who is the Originator and Creator of the universe. Peace (the root from which the word Islam is derived) is attained through complete obedience to the commandments of God, for God is the source of all peace.Islam is the religion of all prophets. Islam is perfect.The person who enters this religion is called a Muslim and muslims are not perfect because they are human beings.
slam teaches that God (called Allah in Arabic) is the source of all creation and that human beings are the best of His creation. He communicates by inspiring them towards goodness and by sending Prophets who deliver God’s message. Muslims believe that the first Prophet was Adam followed by a long chain of Prophets to guide humanity. The Qur’an, according to Muslim belief, is the word of God revealed to Prophet Muhammad. It mentions many other Prophets like Noah, Abraham, Isaac, Ishmael, Moses, Jacob, Joseph and Jesus. All the Prophets brought the same message, i.e., belief in one God, upright human conduct and belief in the accountability of human acts at the end of time.

victoria said...

Isaiah 65 & 66 declare Christianity to be a false religion
Wrong interpretation of Christianity? Or a complete failure of receiving the Holy Spirit?

Some Christians might argue and say something like:

"Ok, but even if you're right, Osama, then so what?! How does this disprove Christianity?! At the worst case, it only shows that Christians are wrong in interpreting their Holy Scriptures. That's all!"
This statement is full of problems. Here are the reasons:
1- Almost the entire religion of Christianity is built on the alleged inspirations of the Holy Spirit.
2- The New Testament (Christianity's main scriptures) promises over and over and over that the Holy Spirit will inspire its followers, lead them, and protect them from:
False guidance.
Bewitchment of demons.
Not only that, but Christians are so fond on declaring that it is the Holy Spirit that is inspiring them and even speaking through their mouths when they preach Christianity. Therefore, if the overwhelming majority of all Christians (almost the entirety of all Christians world-wide and throughout history) utterly and completely failed to receive the Guidance of the Holy Spirit to prevent them from eating pork and violating the Sabbath, while GOD Almighty supposedly in Isaiah 65 and 66 repeatedly cursed those who eat pork till the last day of this life, then either Isaiah 65 and 66 are lies, or Christianity is a lie. And Christianity would be a lie in either case, because it is standing on the Old Testament. Therefore, if Isaiah is a lie, then Christianity is also a lie.

victoria said...

: Just who were the Bible's original authors? See how the Bible's own theologians and translators admit that:

The Bible's books and gospels, according to its own translators and theologians, were
Just who were the Bible's original authors?
Written by mysterious men.
Written by an unknown number of men.
Written in unknown places.
Written in unknown dates.

Paul never even met Jesus Christ in person while the latter was on earth. It is falsely claimed that Jesus appeared to Paul while Paul was on his way to Damascus after the "crucifixion" (Acts 9:2-4. Note: Paul's name used to be Saul. Yet, Paul admittedly wasn't even sure whether the Holy Spirit was inspirning him or not).

victoria said...

In Name of God, Most Gracious, Most Merciful,
" Nay, We hurl the Truth against falsehood, and it knocks out its brain, and behold, falsehood doth perish! Ah! woe be to you for the (false) things ye ascribe (to Us)"
(Holy Qur'an 21: 18)

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nancy said...

30. Surah Ar-Rum (Rome)
In the Name of Allah, The Most Gracious, Most Merciful
19. He brings out the living from the dead, and brings out the dead from the living. And He revives the earth after its death. And thus shall you be brought out (resurrected).
20. And among His Signs is this, that He created you (Adam) from dust, and then [Hawwa' (Eve) from Adam's rib, and then his offspring from the semen, and], - behold you are human beings scattered!
21. And among His Signs is this, that He created for you wives from among yourselves, that you may find repose in them, and He has put between you affection and mercy. Verily, in that are indeed signs for a people who reflect.
22. And among His Signs is the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. Verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge.
23. And among His Signs is the sleep that you take by night and by day, and your seeking of His Bounty. Verily, in that are indeed signs for a people who listen.
24. And among His Signs is that He shows you the lightning, by way of fear and hope, and He sends down water (rain) from the sky, and therewith revives the earth after its death. Verily, in that are indeed signs for a people who understand.
26. To Him belongs whatever is in the heavens and the earth. All are obedient to Him.
27. And He it is Who originates the creation, then will repeat it (after it has been perished), and this is easier for Him. His is the highest description (i.e. none has the right to be worshipped but He, and there is nothing comparable unto Him) in the heavens and in the earth. And He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise.
30. So set you (O Muhammad ) your face towards the religion of pure Islamic Monotheism Hanifa (worship none but Allah Alone) Allah's Fitrah (i.e. Allah's Islamic Monotheism), with which He has created mankind. No change let there be in Khalq-illah (i.e. the Religion of Allah Islamic Monotheism), that is the straight religion, but most of men know not. [Tafsir At-Tabari, Vol 21, Page 41]

nancy said...

who is ALLAH?

35. Surah Al-Fatir or Al-Mala'ikah
In the Name of Allah, The Most Gracious, Most Merciful
1. All the praises and thanks be to Allah, the (only) Originator [or the (only) Creator] of the heavens and the earth, Who made the angels messengers with wings, - two or three or four. He increases in creation what He wills. Verily, Allah is Able to do all things.
3. O mankind! Remember the Grace of Allah upon you! Is there any creator other than Allah who provides for you from the sky (rain) and the earth? La ilaha illa Huwa (none has the right to be worshipped but He). How then are you turning away (from Him)?
9. And it is Allah Who sends the winds, so that they raise up the clouds, and We drive them to a dead land, and revive therewith the earth after its death. As such (will be) the Resurrection!
11. And Allah did create you (Adam) from dust, then from Nutfah (male and female discharge semen drops i.e. Adam's offspring), then He made you pairs (male and female). And no female conceives or gives birth, but with His Knowledge. And no aged man is granted a length of life, nor is a part cut off from his life (or another man's life), but is in a Book (Al-Lauh Al-Mahfuz) Surely, that is easy for Allah.
12. And the two seas (kinds of water) are not alike, this fresh sweet, and pleasant to drink, and that saltish and bitter. And from them both you eat fresh tender meat (fish), and derive the ornaments that you wear. And you see the ships cleaving (the sea-water as they sail through it), that you may seek of His Bounty, and that you may give thanks.
13. He merges the night into the day (i.e. the decrease in the hours of the night are added to the hours of the day), and He merges the day into the night (i.e. the decrease in the hours of the day are added to the hours of the night). And He has subjected the sun and the moon, each runs its course for a term appointed. Such is Allah your Lord; His is the kingdom. And those, whom you invoke or call upon instead of Him, own not even a Qitmir (the thin membrane over the date-stone).
38. Verily, Allah is the All-Knower of the unseen of the heavens and the earth. Verily! He is the All-Knower of that is in the breasts.
39. He it is Who has made you successors generations after generations in the earth, so whosoever disbelieves (in Islamic Monotheism) on him will be his disbelief. And the disbelief of the disbelievers adds nothing but hatred with their Lord. And the disbelief of the disbelievers adds nothing but loss.
40. Say (O Muhammad ): "Tell me or inform me (what) do you think about your (so-called) partner-gods to whom you call upon besides Allah, show me, what they have created of the earth? Or have they any share in the heavens? Or have We given them a Book, so that they act on clear proof therefrom? Nay, the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers, etc.) promise one another nothing but delusions."
41. Verily! Allah grasps the heavens and the earth lest they move away from their places, and if they were to move away from their places, there is not one that could grasp them after Him. Truly, He is Ever Most Forbearing, Oft-Forgiving.

Anonymous said...

Islam is not a religion. It is a culture.

Peleedion said...

Ok I disagree with that .even till today Muslim marry 10 or 13 year girl .in middle east expecially saudi Arabic .and all Muslim country even in northern side of nigeria doing the same ..

Unknown said...

Muslims don't debate, they make speeches, they attempt to talk over the CHristian, they slander the Christian, they out right lie. Then they go around claiming they won the debate which they actually lost because they never made one valid point. Just check out youtube. Most of modern Muslims don't even speak Arabic so they cannot read the Quran and defend it except in bad translations.