tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4385205961037530446.post4044051273717492865..comments2024-01-01T23:41:52.452-05:00Comments on Staring at the View: Georgetown's Common Word ConferenceQuotable Quotes:http://www.blogger.com/profile/10875865758846571469noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4385205961037530446.post-48576353882886710452013-05-10T06:12:35.856-04:002013-05-10T06:12:35.856-04:00This is coercion in Islam. If there were no coerci...This is coercion in Islam. 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It is an illogical conclusion.<br /><br />Islam has been responsible for as much bloodshed and annhilation as discoveries and monuments (which are always structural submission to the faith). Just like Islam/Muslims discovered, they chicanerously concealed several mathematical and scientific advancements from India into Europe, and falsely taking claims to it! Look up how long it took Europe to find out that the Muslim Arabs did not, in fact, find "0"!!<br /><br />In Asia, particularly in India, Islam was responsible for the killing of millions of Hindus. Internationally acclaimed historians, like K. S. Lal have written books to inform of Islamic atrocities... http://www.amazon.com/Kishori-Saran-Lal/e/B001ICDUJC/ref=ntt_athr_dp_pel_1<br /><br />While, the Koran/Quran boasts of racial indiscrimination and Bilal (the black slave from Abyssinia), was given the honor of chanting the call to prayer, or Adhan, Islam also allowed Muslim rulers to trade slaves from Ethiopia into India! The mullahs remained silent when they knew they had to. You are merely cunning in picking and choosing: perfection of Islam (when Muslims are great discoverer's) and absolving Islam from responsibility (Muslims went bad)! Any religion and its follower's are tied. The greatness and perversion of any religion is in its adherents. If Buddhists monks in Burma wield the sword(however good the cause), they do so at the cost of hurting Buddhism. Muslim imperfections cannot be hidden behind the skirt of Islam. Islam lives in a Muslim. Every time a Muslim fails, so does Islam. That is a price all religions pay...Islam is not absolved merely because its adherents choose to discern differently.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10381844221886273034noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4385205961037530446.post-77868225515258011372011-04-21T13:04:01.666-04:002011-04-21T13:04:01.666-04:00Anonymous, could you care to explain the comments ...Anonymous, could you care to explain the comments of Coptic church officials who have spoken against Egypt being an Islamic state?JihadBobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4385205961037530446.post-29734358235268211812011-04-17T16:53:38.952-04:002011-04-17T16:53:38.952-04:00http://www.loonwatch.com/2009/11/the-churchs-doctr...http://www.loonwatch.com/2009/11/the-churchs-doctrine-of-perpetual-servitude-was-worse-than-dhimmitude/#refRELIGION<br /><br />Coptic Pope invokes Quran and asks for shariah law to be implemented.<br /><br />http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/08/dr-sherman-jackson-western-views-of-shariah/<br /><><br /><br />The most interesting position, however, was that of the Church itself. In addition to religious freedom <b>it invoked sharî’ah in its defense!</b> Time and again, Church officials publicly invoked such sharî’ah maxims as, “When confronted with People of the Book (Jews and Christians), adjudicate among them on the basis of their own religion.” The Coptic patriarch, <b>Pope Shanoudah III, even went so far as to quote the Qur’ân directly</b> in his weekly sermon: “Let the People of the Bible adjudicate according to what God revealed therein. And whoever does not adjudicate in accordance to what God reveals, they are among the corrupt” (5: 47). As if these statements were not explicit enough, in an interview published on 10 June in the official Ahramnewspaper, Pope Shanoudah stated plainly and without equivocation, <b>“We simply ask the judges, if they want to reconcile with the Church, to apply the Islamic sharî’ah.”</b>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4385205961037530446.post-66408884465188028872011-04-17T16:45:07.703-04:002011-04-17T16:45:07.703-04:00"Your examples of Turkey and Malaysia as mode..."Your examples of Turkey and Malaysia as moderate democracies is rather lame."<br /><br />Like i said earlier, turkey/malaysia is 'CLOSE' to a democracy i didnt give them as real moderate democracies.<br /><br />"Islam is not perfect - there is plenty of evidence in the backwards 56 countries dominated by it but you refuse to look at that and prefer to hold onto fairy tales of its greatness"<br /><br />Again Islam is perfect, its the muslims and the islamic countries that are not perfect. I said that many times in my discussion with greenforest and in my earlier comments.<br /><br />I said there are no proper free democratic islamic countries, they are all corrupt and backward. So I dont see how 'I refuse to look at that and believe in fairy tales' as you claim.<br /><br />As for Islam benefitting from christianity, judaism and other religious societies, well the same happened with the christians of europe how do you suppose they came out of the dark ages?<br />----<br /><br />http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/how-islamic-inventors-changed-the-world-469452.html<br /><br />Algebra<br /><br />Arabic numerals<br /><br />Alhazen was a pioneer in optics, engineering and astronomy. According to Giambattista della Porta, Alhazen was the first to explain the apparent increase in the size of the Moon and Sun when near the horizon, although Roger Bacon gives the credit of this discovery to Ptolemy. Alhazen also taught that vision does not result from the emission of rays from the eye, and wrote on the refraction of light, especially on atmospheric refraction, for example, the cause of morning and evening twilight. He solved the problem of finding the point on a convex mirror at which a ray coming from one point is reflected to another point.<br />Ibn Haitham<br /><br />Alhazen's extensive writings influenced many Western intellectuals such as Roger Bacon, John Pecham, Witelo, and Johannes Kepler.<br /><br />Optics<br /><br />Alhazen's main work is his seven volume treatise on optics Book of Optics (Kitab al-Manazir), written from 1015 to 1021. The ancient Greeks believed that truth was determined by the logic and beauty of reasoning; experiment was used as a demonstration. Alhazen used the results of experiments to test theories. The "emission" theory of light had been supported by Euclid and Ptolemy. This theory postulated that sight worked by the eye emitting light. The second or "intromission" theory, supported by Aristotle had light entering the eye. Alhazen performed experiments to determine that the "intromission" theory was scientifically correct.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4385205961037530446.post-16158240767253258742011-04-17T12:32:15.715-04:002011-04-17T12:32:15.715-04:00Dear SATV,
Thank you for your uniquely insightfu...Dear SATV, <br /><br />Thank you for your uniquely insightful blog. I particularly love what you said about the freedoms you grant your daughters in this post. As loving parents it is sometimes hard to accept the independence of our children as they grow up but ultimately we know that they are the ones to make their own decisions.Cathynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4385205961037530446.post-10288391337608020222011-04-17T12:21:44.287-04:002011-04-17T12:21:44.287-04:00Islam did not create the so called 'Golden Age...Islam did not create the so called 'Golden Age' they merely colonized the existing Christian and Jewish cultures that lived in Spain and benefited from their knowledge and heavy taxation. All the civilizations that Islam has overtaken by the sword were older and greater than Islam - like the Zoroastrianism of the Persians, as well as the Jews and Christians - and these societies declined once the original inhabitants were assimilated into the Ummah over several generations. Apologists make excuses as to why the so called Golden Age ended - but it's clear that Islam killed the cultures that created these societies. The idea that the Christians and Jews lived there in harmony is white washing the fact that they were second or third class citizens subject to extra taxes and humiliation by Muslims. <br /><br />Your examples of Turkey and Malaysia as moderate democracies is rather lame. Ask any Armenian Christian how enlightened the Turks are. And in Malaysia they burn bibles and persecute Christians.<br /><br />Islam is not perfect - there is plenty of evidence in the backwards 56 countries dominated by it but you refuse to look at that and prefer to hold onto fairy tales of its greatness.Cathynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4385205961037530446.post-14647256690939378822011-04-16T14:24:24.118-04:002011-04-16T14:24:24.118-04:00"If Islam is so perfect and enlightened, why ..."If Islam is so perfect and enlightened, why do you suppose that after 1,400 years it has never created a free or democratic society?"<br /><br />Muslims had the 1000 years golden age, they also had islamic spain andalus where jews muslims and christians lived together each under their own laws.<br /><br />After the collapse of the ottoman empire, most muslim countries were colonized , and still are under the control of the west.<br /><br />I would say the 'closest' muslim country to being democracy/free would be turkey, malaysia (and hopefully tunisia/egypt after their revolution)<br /><br />So Islam/Quran is perfect, it is the muslims, the followers of Islam who are not perfect.<br /><br />Muslims are like any other human beings they can do good or bad, sin and go to wars.<br /><br />So there were free societies, free in terms of non-muslims being able to follow their own religious laws,drink their wine etc..<br /><br />http://www.islamicspain.tv/Islamic-Spain/index.html<br /><br />"Any attempt to understand the history and culture of the Iberian peninsula must take account of that 'incredible Islamic legacy'" .. <br /> Richard FletcherAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4385205961037530446.post-76241308873209934222011-04-16T12:46:41.788-04:002011-04-16T12:46:41.788-04:00Quoting anonymous at 4:25 pm:
"(in a free de...Quoting anonymous at 4:25 pm:<br /><br />"(in a free democratic society-which no islamic country is)"<br /><br />EXACTLY. <br /><br />If Islam is so perfect and enlightened, why do you suppose that after 1,400 years it has never created a free or democratic society?Cathynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4385205961037530446.post-73862807025972340972011-04-15T21:10:25.738-04:002011-04-15T21:10:25.738-04:00SATV wrote:
"In spite of the considerable amo...SATV wrote:<br />"In spite of the considerable amount of money spent to bring in speakers from all over the country the conference seemed sparsely attended with many empty seats. Was the lack of attendance due to a lack of interest, or did others sense as I did that conversations would only go in one direction and not very far at that?"<br /><br />Whichever it is, I am slightly relieved that this appears to be a case of the supply exceeding the demand.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4385205961037530446.post-74892484709178334392011-04-15T20:59:17.261-04:002011-04-15T20:59:17.261-04:00Anonymous at April 14 2011 8:07 PM wrote:
"I...Anonymous at April 14 2011 8:07 PM wrote:<br /><br /><i>"If a man converts to islam to marry a muslim woman it is his choice. The muslim woman wants to keep her religion."</i><br /><br />In classical sharia, if a non-Muslim man marries a Muslim woman, he has committed a grave offense and must be put to death. He can also be killed by vigilantes. The non-Muslim man who converts to Islam <i>to marry the Muslim woman</i> would probably be doing so under extreme pressure from the woman's family (and possibly from the woman herself) and from the Muslim community and from the jurists and authorities. If he has very strong feelings for her, this would also add to the coercive effect of Islamic rules. Hence, it's not just a free choice. If it was a free choice, there would be no "need" to convert to marry a Muslim woman. <br /><br />Yes, if she is the love of his life, he can turn his back on her and refuse to convert to Islam, thus negating any possibility of marrying the woman he loves. This is coercion in Islam. If there were no coercion or compulsion in Islam, then there would be no such rule compelling people to change their religious beliefs in order to marry Muslims. <br /><br /><i>"If a christian man converts to islam to marry a muslim woman, then it shows he didnt really believe in jesus."</i><br /><br />Well, by Islamic standards he would be moving from declaring a belief that Jesus was the Son of God to assuming the belief that Jesus was merely a prophet and not the Son of God.<br /><br />Islamic law doesn't seem to be concerned with whether the man <i>truly</i> believes in a Christian Jesus or a Muslim Jesus, as it is in ensuring that the man stays in line with Islamic law by maintaining a outward declaration of belief in, and obedience to, Islam. By using the threat of severe punishment for any attempt he may make to return to his former belief (annulment of the marriage, canceling of the man's legal status, death penalty for apostasy, etc.), the Islamic authorities and the woman's Muslim family can ensure the transmission of the Islamic ideology to the children. <br /><br />In contrast, for Muslim males who are allowed to marry women who are Of the Book, since Muslim men have rights, power, and authority over their wives (who must be obedient), the Muslim male can simply force the transmission of Islamic ideology to the children. By the age of puberty they must accept Islam or be put to death (for the males, and in some schools females) or put in prison (for the females, according to other schools).<br /><br />So once again this demonstrates compulsion/coercion in Islam.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4385205961037530446.post-3481225010532239272011-04-15T16:25:14.292-04:002011-04-15T16:25:14.292-04:00well there isnt any punishment for eating pork or ...well there isnt any punishment for eating pork or drinking alcohol in the quran.<br /><br />So its upto the (muslim/islamic) states to come up with a suitable penalty/punishment.<br /><br />I personally think there should be a small fine for eating pork or even no punishment at all, instead of prison or caning/lashes.<br /><br />A small fine would be like a reminder that pork is prohibited in the quran.<br /><br />But then how do you find out if a muslim ate pork/bacon? Eating pork I would say is not a major sin. The issue is why would a muslim eat pork? because they are no longer muslim? or they are muslim but just want to try pork?<br /><br />So its upto the people/goverment to decide (in a free democratic society-which no islamic country is).<br /><br />As for consumption of alcohol, alcohol is like a drug, punishment/penalty is different from one muslim country to the other.<br /><br />In malaysia i think you get caned 7 times. In nigeria 5 or 6 times lashes. Some others 3 months jail.<br /><br />Again i believe a muslim who is publicly drunk should be jailed for few weeks or months. For someone who consumed small amounts and is not drunk a small fine.<br /><br />So there is no One shariah for all or the same penalty for a crime in all muslim countries. Muslim countries are divided as you know.<br /><br />So if i say under shariah law you are jailed for consuming alcohol in country X , someone else could say in malaysia/nigeria you get caned.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4385205961037530446.post-65722438427527662762011-04-15T15:41:53.878-04:002011-04-15T15:41:53.878-04:00Hello Anonymous, do you know of any penalty under ...Hello Anonymous, do you know of any penalty under Islamic Law if Muslims consume pork as there is for consuming alcohol?JihadBobnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4385205961037530446.post-78545546007256233392011-04-15T14:29:50.845-04:002011-04-15T14:29:50.845-04:00well muslims got to follow rules given to us by go...well muslims got to follow rules given to us by god.<br /><br />If a muslim woman wants to marry a christian man, she has 2 choices<br /><br />a) convert to christianity then marry.<br /><br />b) the christian man converts to islam then marry.<br /><br />Choosing either depends on whether the muslim woman is a practising devout muslim or not.<br /><br />"If the panelists truly granted their daughters those freedoms, I might believe they were free from the binding grip of Sharia.<b>I might question, however, if they were still Muslim</b>. "<br /><br />A muslim is free to eat pork or drink, but do they still believe in god/quran? Is the muslim merely sinning or actually going against the rules in the quran because they no longer believe in allah?<br /><br />For a muslim the laws in the quran is important.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4385205961037530446.post-71741628771782318962011-04-15T10:11:58.285-04:002011-04-15T10:11:58.285-04:00Friend Quotable,
I very much like your comment ab...Friend Quotable,<br /><br />I very much like your comment about dry forests and tropical rain forests. Exactly. What no one is pointing out is that during extremely dry seasons that there is nothing you can do to completely prevent fires. It is too dry - too susceptible to flashing. The problem is the condition of the forest, not the inevitable occurrence of sparks. What your illustration can't carry is the strange reality that the trees are not only dry, but are desperately hoping for fire. The forests of Lebanon and Fanghorn are very different, if that makes any sense.<br /><br />And Anonymous 8:07,<br /><br />I don't think that you get the point. The point is not the obvious choice that the man is making, it is the LACK of choice the woman had to convert to Christianity (death for apostates) and the lack of choice the children will have (see above). The point is that with Islam choice only runs one direction.Cyril Lucarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09084426632079086253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4385205961037530446.post-4130071483748058212011-04-14T20:07:35.682-04:002011-04-14T20:07:35.682-04:00If a man converts to islam to marry a muslim woman...If a man converts to islam to marry a muslim woman it is his choice. The muslim woman wants to keep her religion.<br /><br />If a christian man converts to islam to marry a muslim woman, then it shows he didnt really believe in jesus.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com