tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4385205961037530446.post2646627256419261172..comments2024-01-01T23:41:52.452-05:00Comments on Staring at the View: Muslims and Muhammad and Umm QirfaQuotable Quotes:http://www.blogger.com/profile/10875865758846571469noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4385205961037530446.post-32235558466110071752013-09-02T02:30:34.408-04:002013-09-02T02:30:34.408-04:00Well, that's how Islam is. Someone insults a M...Well, that's how Islam is. Someone insults a Muslim, and the Muslim return that someone with violence. It's the same as when we were kids, Boy A steals Boy B's toy. Boy B isn't happy and a fight breaks out. And the moral of the story? Nothing is settled. In fact, somebody gets hurt. This is what sin does to people who are still blinded. <br /><br />Do you think God would want His people to turn against each other? No! Otherwise, why would He create us for? <br /><br />It doesn't take a super intelligent person to see/know that violence and revenge is already wrong and the Quran is full of it. Try having a slave in modern times, try having sex with your slaves in modern times, try killing as an act of revenge in modern times. What do u get? I can promise you, JAIL TIME. So tell me, how can what Muhammed be doing, of God?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4385205961037530446.post-85885246491902267742012-06-08T06:20:59.700-04:002012-06-08T06:20:59.700-04:00The people who wrote the articles on Umm Qirfa hav...The people who wrote the articles on Umm Qirfa have done so with Hadith from Sahih Muslim. Please refer to the websites clarifying the facts and lies.<br /><br />http://www.islamicsearchcenter.com/archive/2010/01/the-story-of-killing-of-umm-qirfa-the-facts-and-the-lies/<br />and<br />www.scribd.com › Research › History<br /><br />these sites "Do NOT DENY THE RIPPING APART OF UMM QIRFA TOOK PLACE" they instead confirm it. I dont think your worst enemy deserves whatever they have done.<br /><br />they also say that "UMM QIRFA'S DAUGHTER WAS NOT RAPED". After seeing your mother ripped apart would she go willingly with her captors or would she have recurring nightmares.<br /><br />If Islam teaches forgiveness what kind of barbaric behavior is this.<br /><br />Unfortunately it cannot be explained away.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4385205961037530446.post-70454670096486694732011-11-21T12:12:02.666-05:002011-11-21T12:12:02.666-05:00Finally here is the real account of the Umm Qirfa ...Finally here is the real account of the Umm Qirfa incident from the sealed nectar (this does not even include all the refutations made by scholars on the dramatized versions found in some books of seerah):<br /><br />"An expedition led by Abu Bakr As-Siddiq or Zaid bin Haritha was despatched to Wadi Al-Qura in Ramadan 6 Hijri after Fazara sept had made an attempt at the Prophet’s life. Following the morning prayer, the detachment was given orders to raid the enemy. Some of them were killed and others captured. Amongst the captives, were Umm Qirfa and her beautiful daughter, who was sent to Makkah as a ransom for the release of some Muslim prisoners there.[] Umm Qirfa’s attempts at the Prophet’s life recoiled on her, and the thirty horsemen she had gathered and sustained to implement her evil scheme were all killed."<br /><br />If someone made attempts to assasinate members of my family/friends, I'd want them killed too :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4385205961037530446.post-40274681219937390882011-11-21T12:05:10.248-05:002011-11-21T12:05:10.248-05:00Also, you tell half truths and twist the story to ...Also, you tell half truths and twist the story to support your view point. For example, in the story of Khaybar you did not tell or know the whole account. People of Khaybar were hostile towards the Muslims and were responsible for encouraging attack against Medina. As for the specific incicdent you mentioned, here is what it says in its COMPLETE form in the famous seerah book "The Sealed Nectar:"<br /><br />"The Prophet [pbuh] agreed to spare their lives on condition they evacuate Khaibar and the adjacent land, leaving whatever gold and silver they had in their possession. However, he stipulated that he would disavow any commitment if they concealed anything. Shortly afterwards, the forts were handed over to the Muslims and all Khaibar was reduced and brought under the sway of Islam.<br /><br />This treaty notwithstanding, Abi Al-Huqaiq’s two sons concealed a leather bag full of jewels, and money belonging to Huyai bin Al-Akhtab, who carried it with him when Banu Nadir had been banished. Kinanah bin Ar-Rabi‘, who had hidden the musk somewhere, was obdurate in his denial and so he was killed when the musk was discovered and his dishonesty was proven."<br /><br />How do you expect us to take you seriously when you lie and hide the facts and twist the story to put forth your viewpoint. As for me, you've lost all your credibility.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4385205961037530446.post-34756439077887061212011-11-21T11:38:34.480-05:002011-11-21T11:38:34.480-05:00I love how ignorant people like yourself put out p...I love how ignorant people like yourself put out petty arguments to defame the last Prophet sent to mankind. Anyone who can read Arabic knows this account of Umm Qirfa has been refuted by scholars many times, past and present. And anyone with ABC knowledge of Islam knows that books of seerah contain authentic and non-authentic accounts of the Prophet's life especially Ibn Hisham. That's what you learn in Seerah 101. Please teach yourself Arabic and do proper research. And he WAS a prophet whether you like it or not. The best human being ever to walk the face of the planet :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com